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What is 5 dots precision and 5 dot forgiveness

• drmoose 3,540 Posts

  Tue, Jan 28 2014 9:51 AM

  YankeeJim:

  FTFY. That flaws the entire thought process unless you concede that criteria and I don't.  :-)

  Fair enough, it appears we have reached an impasse. I hope you enjoyed this little intellectual exercise as much as I. As you said earlier, this was definately not about winning or losing, but, simply discussing theories about why this maddening game plays the way it does.

  Doc :)

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Tue, Jan 28 2014 10:41 AM

  drmoose:

  it appears we have reached an impasse.

  OY!. That's the maddening part for me, not the game--reaching an impasse when there's so much to gain by moving away from "theories." Those theories create too much of a mental obstacle to foster success.

  Human nature plays a huge part in this game, IMO, and when we let things get to us it affects our normally better judgement. Witness the littered landscape of broken mice and smashed keyboards. LOL

   "Meh" is way better for the psyche than George Carlin's 7 words. ;-)

• drmoose 3,540 Posts

  Tue, Jan 28 2014 10:59 AM

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• drmoose 3,540 Posts

  Tue, Jan 28 2014 11:10 AM

  drmoose:

  OY!. That's the maddening part for me, not the game--reaching an impasse when there's so much to gain by moving away from "theories."

   

   Lol,  not so fast Jim. as I recall we were discussing two theories, yours', wherein equipment performance remains a constant, and mine, wherein equipment performance is a variable. Since we could form no collective agreement as to what constituted  a variation in equipment performance, I declared an impasse, I did not concede my point, good try though, and I do like your sense of humor.

  Doc :)

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Tue, Jan 28 2014 12:27 PM

  drmoose:

   I declared an impasse, I did not concede my point,

  Wasn't looking for one, fully aware I would never get one. Mooses are stubborn. LOL. Besides, my intent was not to change you, just help you see the light.  :-)

• drmoose 3,540 Posts

  Tue, Jan 28 2014 1:13 PM

  Lol, once again, this was most enjoyable, hopefully we can agree to disagee in the future.

  Doc :)

• Soggyblogger 224 Posts

  Tue, Jan 28 2014 7:44 PM

  Chinajohn:

  Soggyblogger:

  WGTicon:

  hi

  precision refers to how good it keeps the line. forgiveness refers to how much forgiveness you get on a missed ding,

  -wgticon

   

  Wow. Really? What if I want to miss the ding? Since shot shaping isn't possible any other way, isn't hitting early creating a hook, and hitting late creating a slice? In practice this works, and I use it on a lot of shots, but if what you have written is true, then the "forgiveness" factor is counteracting my intended hooks and slices.

  I know it seems ridiculous to argue with someone who (I hope) has access to the code, but from what I have gleamed from playing the game and observing different clubs, and shots, "forgiveness" refers to the distance from the ding line and the next vertical line left and right of the ding line.

  Notice how on high forgiveness clubs, that line is farther away from the ding line, and on lower forgiveness clubs those lines are closer to the ding line. If I have made my question clear, please let me know if I understand this correctly or not.

  Icon is correct, the more forgiveness your club (including putters btw) has the more it will stick to the line you've aimed when miss dinged. What this means is that with clubs with high forgiveness, if you are intending to miss ding, then you will need to miss more when using clubs with high forgiveness to achieve the same result, although exactly how much more I've never worked out.

   

  OK, I understand what you are saying, but then why are the lines to the left and right of the ding line different for different clubs? And what do they represent?

• Soggyblogger 224 Posts

  Tue, Jan 28 2014 7:58 PM

  Jimbog1964:

  YankeeJim:

  The scrambling and sand save %s say a lot and I'll leave it at that.  ;-)

  Not even those necessarily Jim.  Mine are crapola really - way worse than representative.  Chasing that L93 par 3ing a starter ball whilst looking elsewhere carpet bombed mine.  Probably never going to recover (hopefully lol).  Gotta be careful even there.

  As for dots and stuff I think WGTNIV put it as eloquently as I have seen it in this old thread:)

  That old thread before I stumbled across the game, but see a certain YamkeeJim helping even back then:)

  I carpet bombed my stats with my first 500 games, and I KNOW my stats don't represent my play today. None of them. And that is why I have asked WGT to offer the ability to choose what stats one wants to see: The last 100 games.....last 500 games....or all of them. But maybe it's impossible, though it seems like basic spread sheet sort of stuff computers are very good at. Anyway.....

• Chinajohn 1,190 Posts

  Tue, Jan 28 2014 8:37 PM

  Soggyblogger:

  ...

  OK, I understand what you are saying, but then why are the lines to the left and right of the ding line different for different clubs? And what do they represent?

  The honest answer? I don't know. I suspect though that they loosely reflect the various virtual attributes of each club, but hey, they may be merely cosmetic.