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Tue, Jun 3 2014 1:26 PM (27 replies)
  • DrSlick
    142 Posts
    Fri, Apr 4 2014 4:04 AM

    Any word on new irons in the L90-94 range for those of are trying to bridge the gap between the L85 Nikes and the L97 Nikes? And for those of us that can't afford to buy L90 r11s and then have wgt come out with an upgrade at L92/93.

    It is my only gripe about this game..a legend is not a legend. It is like working for the federal government, advancement has zero to do with skill level, just how much time you have put in.

    If anything would drive me to leave this game it is the fact that I have years before I could get upper level clubs, but still have to compete on the same field. It seems unreasonable at best if wgt expects players to compete for credits and prizes.

    Oof, my soapbox for today.

     

  • spdemon
    1,588 Posts
    Fri, Apr 4 2014 4:33 AM

    im thinking if they do add them the will be more than the r11s price wise lol

    be nice to have a set with the same stats as the r11s but a 12 o'clock meter or 3 as the new system goes 

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Fri, Apr 4 2014 4:58 AM

    spdemon:
    im thinking if they do add them the will be more than the r11s price wise lol

    Yep - as guaranteed as it gets IMO.

    The L90 R11s can compete with the best, and some top players still prefer them.  There is not the gap you perceive.

    The SLDR driver is also excellent.

    L85 Nikes are great clubs I hear, but having never used them can't say more.  I can say the L90 R11s won't be what's holding you back getting to TL and winning often though.  

    Lines are so fine.  

     

     

  • spdemon
    1,588 Posts
    Fri, Apr 4 2014 5:20 AM

    Jimbog1964:

    spdemon:
    im thinking if they do add them the will be more than the r11s price wise lol

    Yep - as guaranteed as it gets IMO.

    The L90 R11s can compete with the best, and some top players still prefer them.  There is not the gap you perceive.

    The SLDR driver is also excellent.

    L85 Nikes are great clubs I hear, but having never used them can't say more.  I can say the L90 R11s won't be what's holding you back getting to TL and winning often though.  

    Lines are so fine.  

     

     

    I tried the lvl 85 nikes didnt like the yrds on them the blades/ping mix wasnt for me got the 97nikes as well but using the r11s i prefer them but dont like the meter is all lol

    If u enter any comps on here be prepared to shoot low lol 

  • DrSlick
    142 Posts
    Fri, Apr 4 2014 5:21 AM

    Jimbog1964:

    spdemon:
    im thinking if they do add them the will be more than the r11s price wise lol

    Yep - as guaranteed as it gets IMO.

    The L90 R11s can compete with the best, and some top players still prefer them.  There is not the gap you perceive.

    The SLDR driver is also excellent.

    L85 Nikes are great clubs I hear, but having never used them can't say more.  I can say the L90 R11s won't be what's holding you back getting to TL and winning often though.  

    Lines are so fine.  

     

    Jimbog:

    I do not disagree with anything you have to say.

    I am arguing on the principle of what real competition is considered here. I don't fully understand wgt's logic as there are many legends in the same boat as I am. I can compete, and will likely compete better once I get used to the R11s, if I so choose to purchase them. But, I would compete even better in RGs and such, and likely spend more credits here on wgt if I could have access to the same clubs that other legends have available to them. 

    I have confidence that my scores will lower with the R11s. But, I am not rolling in credits and thus, why spend 3000 credits on the R11s if there is a set coming out at L92 for 3999 credits that are even better. 

    WGT knows what products they have coming out months and months before they release them - yet, they allow us to buy clubs that we may not have boughten a month before newer and potentially better clubs come out. 

    I am not sure what analogy to use here, but NASCAR comes to mind. You would not see NASCAR allowing the older drivers to drive car "X" with 500 horse power while forcing a talented young driver to drive a car with 475 horse power would you? 

    As you said, it is a fine line, but an advantage none-the-less. Both drivers competing in the same event on the same course, but one with a slight advantage. 

    Now, you give each driver the same vehicle with the same specs(as NASCAR does) and the results rely on skill, experience, ability to handle pressure which is all developed over time. 

    WGT likes to mold this game after real life golf and that is my complaint. Everyone on the PGA has access to the same equipment. There are young bucks that have more skills, better pysique, more flexibility - but do not have the wiley sense of a veteran golfer nor the golf course management of a veteran - it is why many talented players do not win - as you said again - it is a fine line. 

    But..and it is a HUGE but...the PGA does not tell the up and comers that you CAN NOT play with brand "X" irons because you haven't been here as long as the veterans. 

    My argument is on the principle of fair competition. A lower level legend can choose to buy or not to buy more expensive equipment to become more competitive. Many individuals, such as in real life, just want to enjoy the game and not acheive a high level of success - I certainly appreciate that attitude, and frankly sometimes wish I had it - lol. But, others want to be as competitive as they can be, and want the best equipment available so they can compete on the same playing field. WGT does not allow that here - and, it becomes frustrating. 

    I would love to get inside of wgt's head and see what they are thinking. I am a self-employed businessman in real life, and on the surface, their model makes no sense to me. I would have boughten the r11s when first becoming a legend and I would certainly bought the L97s the day they came out. I would likely buy more expensive balls as well. But, now - being I can't compete in RGs at the moment - and I am fairly competitive with the equipment I have - I settle for the 300 credit callys, as the 650 credit Nike balls just didn't lower my scores enough to make them a value. 

    Tim

    ***On a side note - I would love to see the stats of how many legends leave this game in the L85-L93 range just because there is no "fresh" equipment to advance their game?***

     

     

     

  • spdemon
    1,588 Posts
    Fri, Apr 4 2014 5:43 AM

    even if they do have a better set say lvl 93 u still got a long wait bro the r11's r just around the corner for ya

    lvl 90 xp is 486,988

    lvl 93 xp is 785,450 just food for thought 

  • CanineSupervisor
    1,882 Posts
    Fri, Apr 4 2014 6:03 AM

    I play regularly with a level 92 Legend that uses the same irons as you. He has no trouble competing.

  • DrSlick
    142 Posts
    Fri, Apr 4 2014 6:27 AM

    CanineSupervisor:

    I play regularly with a level 92 Legend that uses the same irons as you. He has no trouble competing.

    Canine:

    I have a pretty decent match play record against legends. Again, I am not arguing that I can not compete. Give me the r11s and a decent ball and the experience that will come from going from L89 to L92 and I will be better I am sure. 

    Again, I am arguing on the "principle" of fair competition where credits and prizes are emphasized by WGT. 

    If that is the case, have "level specific" RGs - now I would spend money on something like that if I knew everyone had the same chance for the same equipment. 

    For instance - a L83 - L89 RG or a L90-L96 RG - I would make a bet that those types of formats would bring new blood in to the RGs. 

    I have come across M's and TM's with L97 Nikes I believe - where does that make sense in the realm of fair competition. It is just an odd business format and I am having trouble grasping why they moved away from tier specific equipment. 

    I am sure it is $$$ driven, and as a capitalist,  I would not argue it - lol. Would just love to be "in the know" of how it is working on a capitalist basis. 

    Tim

  • courteneyfish
    15,796 Posts
    Fri, Apr 4 2014 6:47 AM
    Don't bank on better clubs bringing you lower scores. The brain is the best piece of equipment in all forms of golf.
  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Fri, Apr 4 2014 6:52 AM

    Look I do hear a lot of what you say, and largely agree.  People like the edge whether it's perception or reality.  Ages ago when I was in the 80s level wise and they brought out the R1 driver at L98 (XPs 1764760)  was up in arms saying this is nuts.  At the time the only real Legend driver was the R11 IMO (XPs 388815 at the time ).  people disliked it because it was very risk reward compared to the R1...Loads of thread son that and what real difference to score well not much.  The SLDR is better than the R11, and so honestly IMO you are OK there.

    Iron wise.  Look at the winner of this premium weekly, and see what he is using.  A L103 expert playing with L39 wedges, and L90 R11 irons.  I am sure many L97 iron users wish they had his consistency looking through the score history.  Honestly the gap you think is there between these sets is not.  Squeezing something in between well  no way can I predict WGT obviously, but I am at a loss to see where the room is to squeeze anything in that tiniest of small spaces (if there is any gap).

    Early on the levels system works fine...Well as much as one would expect bearing in mind business V player needs.  L97 does look incredible daunting though I agree as it is.  Personally I would like to see WGT start to go away from the levels system past a certain point for Legends and up.  I would like to see it players choice whether they choose the fine R11s or fine Nikes.  Maybe that is Utopia and no point getting excited.

    I do think they should open everything up to TL though to make that special (heck even if they bunged on a small extra to get it early level wise be something for TLs).  

    WGT probably saw they were switching people away early.  Hoofing em to Legend with incredible equipment for the level then WTF...That's why so many irons etc now to choose from pre L90 (as well as extra revenue of course).  I am not knocking WGT, but it is a problem for them generally, and I always urge them to think of ways of mixing it up to encourage people to stay.  I like this game and want it to flourish, and my ideas are there to kick around.....Hard to get that player versus business need right, and IMO opinion room for WGT to move still.

    Anyway is what it is for now.  BUT on this the R11s will allow you to compete in RGs, and very well.

     

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