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Virtual UEL Open Us 2014......?

• Corwyn 2,410 Posts

  Thu, May 8 2014 8:00 AM

  Sara, please see this post. There are far more than a "100 or so regular UEL players"!

  And people's interest in UEL is less about realistic scoring, but much more to do with tackling a more interesting challenge, and about much more realistic gameplay.

  And why not a comp with Starter Clubs? You don't have to play if you don't want to. But there are many calls from players wanting a level-playing field event... and, especially at this time of year, when many newbies are stunned to see the scoring in the VUSO, and disillusioned at how they'll ever get to that level, an event that brought top scores closer to par might be a very good thing.

• LOLserver 3,522 Posts

  Thu, May 8 2014 9:23 AM

  sarak362336:

  I don't think you guys will ever get it - the initial call for UELs was to make the scoring more realistic - now as some of the top players have staryed playing them there is only a couple of shots difference, so now a comp with starter clubs..........

  If the 100 or so regular UEL players wish to have an UEL Open please feel free to run it yourselves but please stop making out that there is a massive groundswell for this.

  Hey Sara, not because Mags scored great at Beth, which is the easiest UEL course in WGT, means that there is almost no difference....there is, and a lot.

  And yes, there is now a huge participation in the several UEL tournes around. Perhaps players find out soon that UEL is not so tough as they thought and yet more challenging than throwing darts.

  You do not like UEL or find it too difficult?, don't play them. 

  Must agree, I do not like the idea of the starters but the challenge of having an extra "factor" to think when you make your shot is what makes me love UEL.

  C'mon Icon you are one of the best UEL players and have the chance to create a great tournament.

  Eric

   

• overtheedge 5,885 Posts

  Thu, May 8 2014 10:49 AM

  Corwyn:

  . and, especially at this time of year, when many newbies are stunned to see the scoring in the VUSO, and disillusioned at how they'll ever get to that level, an event that brought top scores closer to par might be a very good thing.

  A "Newbie" comes in here and plays an UEL game they will never return Corwyn,,lol. Seriously. 

  Sara is correct in saying a 100 "at the most play UEL. Out of those 100 (and thats a stretch) you MIGHT have 50 that ,,,whats the word Im looking for,,,Oh ya, ENJOY playing UEL.

   

• Corwyn 2,410 Posts

  Thu, May 8 2014 1:59 PM

  overtheedge:

  Sara is correct in saying a 100 "at the most play UEL

  What possible basis do you have to make a statement like that... ?

  Here is the leaderboard of last week's free weekly UEL single-play. I count 1,281 players across all the tiers, and in some of the leaderboards it reaches its maximum page 5 with who knows how many more participants to follow.

  These are people who played... and finished... a full 18-holes on BoP5. Would that many people do that if they weren't enjoying it!

• garygun 80 Posts

  Thu, May 8 2014 2:20 PM

  Corwyn:

  Sara, please see this post. There are far more than a "100 or so regular UEL players"!

  And people's interest in UEL is less about realistic scoring, but much more to do with tackling a more interesting challenge, and about much more realistic gameplay.

  And why not a comp with Starter Clubs? You don't have to play if you don't want to. But there are many calls from players wanting a level-playing field event... and, especially at this time of year, when many newbies are stunned to see the scoring in the VUSO, and disillusioned at how they'll ever get to that level, an event that brought top scores closer to par might be a very good thing.

   

  If I play 100 US Open qualifying rounds I might get really lucky and shoot a score low enough to make the cut but the chances of shooting  another similar score in the single play final round is extremely unlikely.

  Perhaps WGT should run a  parallel tiered US Open Tournament (with lower prizes) so players other than Tour Legends can enjoy the Open challenge against those with similar skills. Just a thought.

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Thu, May 8 2014 3:53 PM

  WGTicon:

  It won't be called that but I am hoping to prepare something special with extra hard settings/green speeds...

  The problem with UELs is the lack of realism close in especially.  OK all day long people can argue flat lies is not realistic either, but neither UELs.  For people that like the format fantastic more power to ya - enjoy.  Until the problems with that close in stuff is sorted though this will remain second fiddle to the current real deal which is the flat lies.

  WGTicon:

  My goal is to have overpar win :)

  About par should be it.  Your challenge is to do so in a way that retains some semblance of realism, and that's where UELs falls over.  From what I can see playing it only a few times the fways do not offer that much threat usually, and so you aim for the green.  Close those wedges / rough play are just too extreme to be fun for me.  If they were extreme in a way that captured something approaching RL fine I would be hooked, but they are not and that's the issue.  All that said crazy green speeds are fun (if that's the intent), but too "crazy" , my fascination in crazy golf would be limited.

  They toned down the first release to what we currently have as most just thought good luck with that whacko stuff, but problem is closer in it's still so very unrealistic and that's after the fway shot's being toned down not being that realistic.  I have heard the argument it's more realistic than flat lies. but I don't but that at all and don't see it.  

  Like I say those that feel it meets their expectation's and like the format great, and in the end the market will decide.  At present, in a time challenged world, I am in the camp that says show me again when the issues are sorted out, and that's the majority saying the least.

  garygun:

  Perhaps WGT should run a  parallel tiered US Open Tournament (with lower prizes) so players other than Tour Legends can enjoy the Open challenge against those with similar skills. Just a thought.

  In an ideal world would be a good idea.  Here the race would be for which sandbagger comes first sadly.

• MartyFlanagan 2,488 Posts

  Thu, May 8 2014 6:19 PM

  i cant use starter clubs and balls so having a us open on uneven lies using starter clubs wouldnt be my first choice, i cant get close to the ding using starter clubs and balls.

  uneven lies take some time to get used too, it probably has taken me 30 or 40 rounds to get good at them but im still improving each time i play, if you hit the fairways and greens you can score well, there is some pins you need to play smart and give yourself a putt at birdy, practice is key, the more you play uneven the better you will get.

  its much more exiting and rewarding playing uneven lies

• thebigeasy707 5,885 Posts

  Thu, May 8 2014 10:41 PM

  overtheedge:

  A "Newbie" comes in here and plays an UEL game they will never return

  I think UEL's would drive the vast majority of newbies away from the game too.

  Whilst I do respect that UEL's adds another dimension to the game, it's a format I never play in.

  It's not realistic to the real game....at least not the real golf I play or on the championship courses I play on ( St Andies / Turnberry /Gleneagles / Carnoustie etc).

  I play the ball from unrepaired divot marks, plugged / downhill / uphill lie bunkers shots and from all depths of roughage. The basic principle to all these shots are the same which involves getting under the ball and adjusting the length of backswing or follow through. Unless I'm stuck behind a tree, I've never had to aim 30 yrds left to get the ball to fly straight just because I'm on a downslope part of  the fairway or in a divot mark.

  Everyone has their own opinions about UEL's. Mines is that UEL's are about as realistic to the real game as this woman's chances are of winning a beauty contest.

  

• overtheedge 5,885 Posts

  Fri, May 9 2014 5:28 AM

  Corwyn:

  These are people who played... and finished... a full 18-holes on BoP5. Would that many people do that if they weren't enjoying it!

  Considering the amount of community members ( 100's of thousands), I don't care of it was a total of 2000 people who posted a score, this is "a drop in the bucket"  of people who as you say,,,enjoy it. Honestly Im thinking more along the lines of 40 and pushing it to say 50 players who may enjoy the - out of left field inaccuracies, off the wall aims (aiming completely backwards in an 18 mph crosswind to hopefully,,,hopefully land it on the green not saying where on the green because who the hell knows) and cap this with one of the most ridiculous programmed computer games on the market today. Lets throw in STARTER CLUBS and lets have a ball,,,,YES! 

  BTW - I sum this topic up on my Profile status.

• MartyFlanagan 2,488 Posts

  Sat, May 10 2014 8:34 PM

  it would be great if wgt expanded the uneven lies options, make the lies button available when selecting a ranked game, set it to even as default and everyone should be happy.

  You could put on a few extra free uneven tournaments each week and month. then maybe a few special uneven tournaments with a bigger prize fund if possible.

  come on WGT, make it happen