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Sat, Sep 20 2014 12:51 AM (30 replies)
  • WGTicon
    12,511 Posts
    Thu, Jul 3 2014 1:29 PM

    hi guys

    we maybe have something coming down in the pipeline to allow rated uel rounds to be made. I don't know have the details because it hasn't yet been done but my hope there will be something soon (barring setbacks)

    -wgticon

  • CerinoDevoti
    3,232 Posts
    Thu, Jul 3 2014 5:47 PM

    My top reason I want to see the opportunity for ranked UEL rounds in stroke play is so when we play multi-player and someone loses a connection, we can get the game back. When you have to play it in practice mode, one glitch and the game is over. This has messed up some of our UEL Tourneys having to re-play rounds just to get them played.  Would also be nice in single play to be able to save a round in UEL. Again in practice mode no games can be saved.

    Frankly I can't understand why WGT is holding back any options with UEL. We know and accept that playing ranked stroke play in UEL will effect our averages. Many of us value playing the game in UEL much greater than our stupid phony averages anyway.

    ~CD~

  • MartyFlanagan
    2,488 Posts
    Thu, Jul 3 2014 6:28 PM

    LOLserver:

    Me, like icon, I wonder why you want the UEL to be played as "ranked" matches?, is it because of the amount of stroke UEL matches you play? or what for?.

    i just really like the challenge, i have played around 900+ ranked rounds on even lies and it can get quite easy and boring, there is not much thinking envolved in playing even lies.

    the other reason is that you dont get the xp pointsor the stats when you play an uneven lies round in practice mode, you could have a great round and it will not count in your average, it would be nice to play a ranked uneven lies round without creating a CC tournament

  • MartyFlanagan
    2,488 Posts
    Thu, Jul 3 2014 6:33 PM

    WGTicon:

    hi guys

    we maybe have something coming down in the pipeline to allow rated uel rounds to be made. I don't know have the details because it hasn't yet been done but my hope there will be something soon (barring setbacks)

    -wgticon

    the simple solution is to have the lies option available so it can be changed from even to uneven, dont complicate it as your programmers can make this happen very easily, set the lies to even as default and there should be no problems at all.

    you already know how to make the lies options available for us to change it, just stick with that solution and use it in the stokeplay game window

  • MartyFlanagan
    2,488 Posts
    Thu, Jul 3 2014 6:34 PM

    CerinoDevoti:

    My top reason I want to see the opportunity for ranked UEL rounds in stroke play is so when we play multi-player and someone loses a connection, we can get the game back. When you have to play it in practice mode, one glitch and the game is over. This has messed up some of our UEL Tourneys having to re-play rounds just to get them played.  Would also be nice in single play to be able to save a round in UEL. Again in practice mode no games can be saved.

    Frankly I can't understand why WGT is holding back any options with UEL. We know and accept that playing ranked stroke play in UEL will effect our averages. Many of us value playing the game in UEL much greater than our stupid phony averages anyway.

    ~CD~

    +1 if you lose the connection its all over,  a waste of time

     

  • GolfingJMan
    71 Posts
    Sat, Jul 5 2014 9:45 PM

    Hi CerinoDevoti,

    CerinoDevoti:
    My top reason I want to see the opportunity for ranked UEL rounds in stroke play is so when we play multi-player and someone loses a connection, we can get the game back. When you have to play it in practice mode, one glitch and the game is over. This has messed up some of our UEL Tourneys having to re-play rounds just to get them played.

    I hope I don't seem to be rudely contentious, but I played your UEL event Tought-It-Out III last Sept-Oct and when I played my 1st round in UEL multiplayer practice mode at Oakmont with bhoese, I specifically recall that we had connection losses and still resumed the game.  Connection loss didn't simply happen once and the round was over, it happened multiple times and we still were able to reload and "get the game back" and complete all 18 holes.  I don't specifically recall getting a disconnection and reloading in the 2nd round, which was also UEL multiplayer practice mode, but apparently it did occur as I stated so in my recap for round 2.

    I am not asserting that disconnections have never "messed up some of" your UEL Tourneys' rounds, I am simply asserting (and with evidence to support the assertion) that re-connection to UEL multiplayer practice mode games has occurred, and within your UEL Tourney.  In fact, just this evening I played a multiplayer UEL stroke play game and successfully reloaded twice.

    As many of us may already know, problems with reloading multiplayer games, whether ranked, scored, tracked, or practice (in E or UEL), may be a result of bugs in WGT's programming or players' computer/internet connection problems or a combination of both.  And the numerous complaints in these forums by players stating that (presumably ranked) multiplayer stroke play games were glitched beyond recovery may suggest that making UEL multiplayer stroke play rounds ranked would not completely eliminate many, or any, of the recent, or old, disconnection/reconnection issues.

    I have not seen and been convinced by any empirical evidence that making a multiplayer UEL stroke play round ranked will prevent or even reduce the possibility of irrecoverable disconnection glitches with multiplayer UEL stroke play practice mode games.

    MartyFlanagan:
    +1 if you lose the connection its all over,  a waste of time
    Again, I am not saying irrecoverable disconnections do not happen in UEL multiplayer games, nor am I stating that I am against or for providing the option for UEL single-player or multiplayer stroke play games to be ranked.  I am mainly asserting that UEL multiplayer stroke play practice games have been and are currently recoverable—they are not "one glitch and the game is over"—and thus providing the option for non-tournament UEL stroke play games to be ranked does not seem to be eminently necessary to prevent irrecoverable disconnection glitches in multiplayer UEL stroke play practice mode games.  Maybe there are other reasons to do so, but not that one.

    CerinoDevoti:
    Would also be nice in single play to be able to save a round in UEL. Again in practice mode no games can be saved.
    It is true that single-player practice mode games, uneven and even lies, currently cannot be saved in the way Ranked Rounds can be saved.  I don't know if it is practical, but  here is my idea: allow players the ability to save single-player Practice Rounds in Uneven or Even lies.

    Because mulligans are not available in Ranked Rounds, having the ability to save games in practice mode, in both Uneven and Even Lies, would solve the issue of not being able to save a single-player UEL round in practice mode with the added benefit of being able to take mulligans and not worry at all about averages, phony and stupid or otherwise (as stated and evidenced above, enabling UEL multiplayer stroke play games to be ranked willto the best of my knowledgehave no affect on the ability for UEL multiplayer games to be resumed, they are already able to be resumed in practice mode).

    CerinoDevoti:
    Frankly I can't understand why WGT is holding back any options with UEL. We know and accept that playing ranked stroke play in UEL will effect our averages. Many of us value playing the game in UEL much greater than our stupid phony averages anyway.
    Perhaps WGT is in the process of giving diligent consideration to more than one viewpoint which is perhaps why some suggestions seem to take many months to implement.  Many different people can have many different value systems.  Those at WGT would probably be wise to consider the many different value systems of the whole membership (and differing viewpoints of those who work at WGT) and not just one value system of a particular "many."  Many may value playing UEL more than average; and conversely, many may consider the UEL game mode is what is actually "stupid" and "phony."


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    To MartyFlanagan,

    MartyFlanagan:
    the other reason is that you dont get the xp pointsor the stats when you play an uneven lies round in practice mode

    My understanding is that single-player Ranked Rounds and single-player Practice Rounds give the same amount of XP Points (not considering any awards or hole-in-one bonuses, or the amount of strokes taken, only the amount of XP gained for completing a round).  You may be thinking of the UEL Tournament rounds you've completed and are comparing those single-player UEL Tournament Ranked Rounds with single-player UEL Practice Rounds.  The Tournament Ranked Rounds, whether Uneven Lies or Even Lies, give more than single-player Ranked Rounds and Practice Rounds (except in the cases of anomalies like glitches).  

    If the request for non-tournament single-player Ranked Rounds in Uneven Lies mode is implemented, I would think that those rounds would give the same XP Points as single-player Practice Rounds in Uneven and Even Lies mode.  Who knows, WGT might make a change, but as it now stands, I have seen the same XP Points awarded for completing non-tournament single-player Ranked Rounds as single-player Practice Rounds.  Feel free to correct me if I'm incorrect.

    Courteously,
    JMan

  • MartyFlanagan
    2,488 Posts
    Sat, Jul 5 2014 10:22 PM

    @JMan

    i just would like to play a ranked uneven lies stokeplay on my own 9 hole or 18 hole, you can play scored or challenge games (which are ranked) in matchplay, skins and alt shot but you cant play strokeplay games, it just seems odd, the only way to play a ranked round is enter a wgt uneven tournament or a CC uneven tournament which is a bit annoying.

    i have not played a multiplayer uneven practice game in a while (probably end of last year) but there was a lot of connection problems were me or the other person could finish the game without something weird happening and we would have to start over. this was happening when multiplayer games worked great and not recently.

    it was simple for wgt to let us change the lies option on scored or challenge matchplay, skins and alt shot but somehow they did not give us the option on skrokeplay (ranked).

    playing a practice round is not the same as a ranked round as the score does nothing for your average or stats, having ranked strokeplay will not harm anyone and it would probably take the programmers half an hour to make the lies option available

  • MartyFlanagan
    2,488 Posts
    Tue, Jul 15 2014 6:52 PM

    bump

  • MartyFlanagan
    2,488 Posts
    Thu, Jul 31 2014 8:46 PM

    any news wgt?

  • sammey1
    703 Posts
    Thu, Jul 31 2014 9:36 PM

    I enjoy playing uneven lies but I wish WGT would give us a break on the scoring average. Have you played uneven lies best of par 4's? One can play the best game of their life on that one and not budge their scoring average. There should be some form of handicap. I know some who won't play it for that reason alone.

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