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Fri, Sep 5 2014 3:36 PM (38 replies)
  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Sun, Jul 6 2014 8:04 PM

    ShadyShank:
    I do play miss hit putts because you have to.

    No, you don't. You have no case if you miss the ding. Anything goes then.

    ShadyShank:
    I don't know if this VEM exists or not,

    It does. Search it and read about it. 

  • spdemon
    1,588 Posts
    Sun, Jul 6 2014 8:19 PM

    YankeeJim:
    It does. Search it and read about it.

    or read this 

    http://www.wgt.com/forums/p/132398/878738.aspx#878738

    But doesn't  this clause seem a little funny though lol

    All rentals are not refundable or exchangeable. The depicted properties and attributes of the items only approximate their performance and may be modified. By continuing, you confirm that you are 13 or older and have only one WGT account. 
    Rental costs cannot be applied towards purchase price of item.

  • ShadyShank
    629 Posts
    Mon, Jul 7 2014 1:00 AM

    YankeeJim:
    No, you don't. You have no case if you miss the ding. Anything goes then.

    Well, I have to disagree twice in a row with you now. Having to miss the ding on a putt, at least for me, is only in this scenario. Say you have a 12 ft putt 2 inches uphill, that breaks to your right. You get it lined up to putt it as if you will ding it or come very close to doing so. However, when you begin your putting stroke you end up going a little too far on your meter so the putt will be too strong and run thru the break, unless you are able to adjust for having too much power by missing the ding either right or left to compensate for the break. In this case you'd want to miss to the right, as the putt will need your help to make it break as it should, to drop.

    It's a split second decision, obviously, but I end up doing it maybe once a round and most often it works out. I suppose, technically, you are right in that you don't HAVE to miss the ding on purpose because you can just go ahead and hit it and miss the putt. I say, if you want to be a complete player as far as putting, you have to be able to do this, occasionally, to save a putt you hit too strong.

    I've made too many putts the way I just described to say anything other than I have to be able to miss ding putts in certain situations.

  • mkrizan86
    1,866 Posts
    Mon, Jul 7 2014 1:49 AM

    ShadyShank:
    However, when you begin your putting stroke you end up going a little too far on your meter so the putt will be too strong and run thru the break, unless you are able to adjust for having too much power by missing the ding either right or left to compensate for the break.

    Or (when this happens) don't over complicate things, let the meter run through without clicking it at all (nothing will happen, it won't count as a stroke), then set the correct strength on your next attemp.

  • ShadyShank
    629 Posts
    Mon, Jul 7 2014 2:12 AM

    spdemon:
    or read this

    Wow. Talk about double-speaking, knee-high ***. Thx, spdemon for posting that for me, it answered many questions for me. Though I couldn't stop laughing at much of what was said, and how it was said.

    "Essentially, the patent is for legal protection. It does give us the right to change the properties of clubs and balls, which we do often, but mainly it is for protecting the legal side of WGT. The only reasons we would do this is for balancing or bug correcting purposes."

    Okay, this guy is speaking as if he were a lawyer himself. What exactly is 'balancing'? My guess would be just what I've been saying. When a player gets too hot and their avg. is dropping ever so consistently, which will soon have them at the next tier, wgt 'balances' their ass out and slows their charge up the ranks down. Balance.

    "Does WGT have the capability to manipulate individual player's equipment?" The answer is yes, we have the capability to do nearly anything to anyone, any course, any time, anywhere. The next question you should ask is "Does the video game I play operate in such an underhanded way that they would practice this capability?"

    Is there anyone here who would answer no to that last question? Is it really possible and just coincidence that, if I buy 3 sleeves at once, there is no doubt at some point, I will lose 2-4 of those balls in less than an hour's time? It's happened every single time I've bought in 'bulk', so to speak. And even if I'm flat wrong on that, here's the part that just kicks me right in the ass.

    "This is essentially what this question boils down to - yes, WGT has the power to manipulate the environment and/or clubs and balls they produce. Do you believe us when we say that we don't do so in an individual, unknown, shady deal but rather in a public, across the board manner that affects every player the exact same way?"

    This is the double talk I mentioned. For one thing, 'across the board that affects every player the same" could very easily mean any player moving along at a pace faster than we like will have VEM kick in for a week or so on them. It could mean that just as easily as it could mean whatever the hell this person is saying, and not very successfully.

    And good God! I haven't played a game on the internet that doesn't screw you, usually, in several different ways. Point being, if we want to play we must accept the fact we will be bent over on a regular basis. So, the writer of this has no point. An attempt at making one yes, but it seems he got too caught up in worrying about saying the wrong thing, and very little ended up making any sense.

    But, the absolute worst part is the last paragraph.

    "When someone passionately devotes so much time and effort into mastering a game, it is inevitable that at certain times they will fail when they feel the opposite outcome should have happened. The natural reaction that humans come to when they think they have all their bases covered but still fail is transference."

    This must be broken down to show the severe inaccuracies. "it is inevitable that at certain times they will fail when they feel the opposite outcome should have happened." More double-talk and BS as well. Okay, with the words 'certain times' he covered his ass on this, but for me, and I've said it right here, I am fully aware when I screw up and have no problems admitting to myself and moving on. It's the times when you have 12 putts in a round lip out that would have been birdies that I start thinking of 3 letters.

    And I'm dying to see this person's PhD in Psychiatry. It absolutely is NOT a human-being's 'natural' reaction to blame someone or something else when things don't go their way. That is the behavior of an addict or alcoholic or a narcissist, or a politician, who's normally all 3. I truly can't believe the complete *** that is the last paragraph of this horribly written, extremely vague, and simply non-factual piece of dung, & an attempt at making things up that sound as if they could be right, in order to lead as many wgt players away from the topic of VEM, and whether they are being screwed or not.

    The answer to that is a booming YES!! And if this poor excuse for an excuse doesn't make it clear that wgt only cares about $$, just like 99% of the rest of the sites on the web, then nothing ever will for those who still believe wgt is on the up and up. If I wasn't so tired right now I'd demolish that entire post, line by line, and plan to soon.

  • ShadyShank
    629 Posts
    Mon, Jul 7 2014 2:30 AM

    mkrizan86:
    Or (when this happens) don't over complicate things, let the meter run through without clicking it at all (nothing will happen, it won't count as a stroke), then set the correct strength on your next attemp.

    Who is over-complicating anything, but you? I simply described what I do on certain putts when I know I've used a bit much power. And, there are times, much less in frequency, where I will have a 2nd go at it. Normally, if I've gone well overboard. But, why waste time going thru another shot routine if you can sink the damn putt the way I described.

    I didn't say everyone should play that way, nor suggest it's a better way to play. Just that I've saved many strokes by doing it. Yet, you somehow missed that point altogether. And it may be complicated for you but it works just fine for me, so wtf do you care in the 1st place?

    Man, everybody's a genius on these forums. Thank you so much for that very useful tip I had no idea could even be done......

  • PaulTon
    10,731 Posts
    Mon, Jul 7 2014 3:13 AM

    ShadyShank:
    Man, everybody's a genius on these forums.

    No, not everyone and certainly not you.

    Wrap on more tinfoil, it helps with those last moment early/late ding decisions on over hit putts

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Mon, Jul 7 2014 3:25 AM

    ShadyShank:
    It absolutely is NOT a human-being's 'natural' reaction to blame someone or something else when things don't go their way.

    Sorry could not resist:)

     

  • mantis0014
    8,946 Posts
    Mon, Jul 7 2014 4:57 AM

    ShadyShank:
    Say you have a 12 ft putt 2 inches uphill, that breaks to your right. You get it lined up to putt it as if you will ding it or come very close to doing so. However, when you begin your putting stroke you end up going a little too far on your meter so the putt will be too strong and run thru the break, unless you are able to adjust for having too much power by missing the ding either right or left to compensate for the break. In this case you'd want to miss to the right, as the putt will need your help to make it break as it should, to drop.

    The thing I can't understand is... How do you know you have too much power?

    I've got the Original meter and I'm not sure what the others do, but when I start the meter, I would still have my finger on the mouse button until it gets to the correct amount of power that I want, then release to start the meter going back towards the ding.  The putt won't start until I take my finger off the mouse button.

    -Roger

     

  • mkrizan86
    1,866 Posts
    Mon, Jul 7 2014 4:57 AM

    ShadyShank:

    And it may be complicated for you but it works just fine for me, so wtf do you care in the 1st place?

    Man, everybody's a genius on these forums. Thank you so much for that very useful tip I had no idea could even be done......

    Jeez, try to offer a piece of advice and people get their knickers in a twist over it. I stop assuming people know obvious things when I read a long time player still didn't know what a saturated avg means. But since you chose to go down this road..., let's play

    ShadyShank:
    As far as stopping the paid tournaments, it's just very odd to me that my 1st 2 weeks at TM I won several TM Brackets, placed in the top 10 in TM RG's about 10 times, and won something around 5000 credits. Then, supposedly, changes were made to the game and greens, and that's when my game went elsewhere and, except for a few decent rounds, it's as if this is my 1st week playing all over again.

    LMAO! You wrote this on the 13th of June. Why the need to write such a blatant lie? Or maybe you don't realize your score history and activities can be read by others? Or am I assuming again? The fact is, from when you became a TM to when you wrote this crap, you were like 1000 cr in the red (prizes - entry fees) and that's not counting the ball usage, which cost you at least twice as much. You didn't win 1 single TM credit bracket in that period and were top 10 once in a 100 cr RG.

    ShadyShank:
    How does that serve to make me better? Because next time I'll adjust for the same putt except the VEM won't affect it and I'll miss right. Solution- GET RID OF THAT PROGRAM THAT DOES NO ONE ANY GOOD, WGT. If a player can't improve with all the many tools and helpful ppl here, they should either delete their account, or just never play for credits.

    Now 2 facts about VEM. In order to be affected by it, you must show skill first, so you're safe. In order to write about it (and not come off as a tool), you need to understand the circles of precision and forgiveness first and most of all, you need to know what certain type of shots should do with certain clubs. Looking at your scores, I don't believe you understand what a certain shot outcome really should be, so when you say you experience VEM (shot doing something it shouldn't do), I just can't believe you.But I understand the need for having an excuse for failing, it's human nature.

    ShadyShank:
    Man, everybody's a genius on these forums.

    Lol, technically speaking, I am one (used to be a MENSA member), how did you know?

     

     

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