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new legend clubs with less forgiveness

• MartyFlanagan 2,488 Posts

  Sat, Jul 5 2014 12:59 AM

  it would be great to have some high level clubs around level 93 that have great precision but lack a bit in forgiveness and have a low meter and good spin that can be used to make scoring a bit harder and keep things interesting, with the slow meter most people should get close to the ding.

  eg. driver - 282yd 8.0 degree driver med/high loft - 4.2 precision 2.5 forgiveness 3.5 meter

  eg. 3w - 245yd high loft - 4.2 precision 2.7 forgiveness 3.5 meter 1.1 spin - give the 3w a bit more forgiveness to help when you play the hole safe so you have more chance of hitting the fairway and still have a shot to the green

  eg - hybrid - 230yd high loft - 4.2 precision 2.7 forgiveness 3.5 meter 1.1 spin

  eg - irons high loft 225yd - 120yd - 4.2 precision 2.4 forgiveness 3.5 meter 3.2 spin 

  you could also have a ball that people could use with these clubs that is slow but not the best stats

  eg ball - 4 distance 3 spin 3.5 meter

  using clubs like these will make you think a bit more and would make you play safe on some of the tight pins

• alberich35 858 Posts

  Sat, Jul 5 2014 1:27 AM

  Alls this approximatly already exist. Dont think 4.2 or 4.5 change everything except on paper.

  ... And balls with so bads stats ... lol ... you have only some expensive Nike which reach this level.

• MartyFlanagan 2,488 Posts

  Sat, Jul 5 2014 2:01 AM

  alberich35:

  Alls this approximatly already exist. Dont think 4.2 or 4.5 change everything except on paper.

  ... And balls with so bads stats ... lol ... you have only some expensive Nike which reach this level.

  they are clubs to make it a bit harder but have a nice meter speed,. i think people like a challenge and having clubs with a slow meter and good stats that if you ding can score well would work well on wgt, if you miss the ding they can punish you.

  the ball is not that important i just dont see a ball with those stats available, it probably would work well being paired with the irons to make the game a bit harder from the back tees but still have a slow meter. its a ball like the L48 nikes and L55 callaways but with a 3.5 meter which is a good speed to get close to the ding.

  new clubs with good/great stats and less forgiveness would be great in uneven lies, it would make you think more

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Sat, Jul 5 2014 2:17 AM

  Never against more choice.  No harm raising it.

  Slow meter sells but so does precision and spin.  Realistically it would be a small market IMO, appealing mostly only to those who can't handle a faster meter R11set.  Disagree that a slower a slower meter makes the game harder net result wise even including your suggestions, but your opinion.  I would basically concur with alberich by saying this would be fine lines to what else is already available.

  Nothing against choice as say, but what we have is loads IMO.  If there were a change I would like it to be to all clubs and be a last 10% power red zone where the forgiveness really drops.  Can't see that happening though(:

• MartyFlanagan 2,488 Posts

  Sat, Jul 5 2014 2:34 AM

  Jimbog1964:

  Never against more choice.  No harm raising it.

  Slow meter sells but so does precision and spin.  Realistically it would be a small market IMO, appealing mostly only to those who can't handle a faster meter R11set.  Disagree that a slower a slower meter makes the game harder net result wise even including your suggestions, but your opinion.  I would basically concur with alberich by saying this would be fine lines to what else is already available.

  Nothing against choice as say, but what we have is loads IMO.  If there were a change I would like it to be to all clubs and be a last 10% power red zone where the forgiveness really drops.  Can't see that happening though(:

  i dont mean that a slow meter makes its harder. just would like to see some clubs that have a slow meter and have good stats but less forgiveness to make it a bit more of a challenge.

  i like the idea of the last 10% red zone, it would be pretty easy for wgt to add that to the meter, you could have an on/off switch for it as it prob wouldnt suit everyone but would be a good challenge when its on.

• alberich35 858 Posts

  Sat, Jul 5 2014 2:42 AM

  Agree Jim, dont play real golf but iam flyfhisher, when you miss a shot it's same, in golf hole  is pretty lost, in flyfishing, line end in tree's branches.

  With WGT equipment no, you can miss a shot by a mile and  behind made a birdy.

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Sat, Jul 5 2014 4:11 AM

  MartyFlanagan:

  i dont mean that a slow meter makes its harder. just would like to see some clubs that have a slow meter and have good stats but less forgiveness to make it a bit more of a challenge.

  OK for clarity I did / do  hear you.  To offset that slow meter you would accept slightly less performance, and a little less forgiveness.  Net result of that is not much change to what's already out there IMO, but like I say I am never against more choice.

  The market would be small as if people really want to compete at their best against other very good players you need the best performance.  There is hard enough and more than enough competition trying to play in that field as it stands. IMO the L90 irons certain;y allow that performance to really compete, and the L97s are considered great by many too.  Leader of the Transamerica prefers the L90s looking at his equipment. Thee L97 irons have a slower meter than the L90s (slightly), but miss with a high spin ball and it's cab be v bad and etc and putting id finally where it counts huge and I am going off topic swiftly:) 

  That last 10% would have to be across all clubs, and personally I think would add to realism / fun.  Also the game never needed 750 credit balls but cat out of bag many feel they need those, or getting that way. to stand a chance in RGs / big ones. Whichever way we cut it the better players will still shine through, and that's as it should be.  Last thing we want is some muddy field where skill goes out the window.

• MartyFlanagan 2,488 Posts

  Sat, Jul 5 2014 6:38 PM

  Jimbog1964:

  OK for clarity I did / do  hear you.  To offset that slow meter you would accept slightly less performance, and a little less forgiveness.  Net result of that is not much change to what's already out there IMO, but like I say I am never against more choice.

  The market would be small as if people really want to compete at their best against other very good players you need the best performance.  There is hard enough and more than enough competition trying to play in that field as it stands. IMO the L90 irons certain;y allow that performance to really compete, and the L97s are considered great by many too.  Leader of the Transamerica prefers the L90s looking at his equipment. Thee L97 irons have a slower meter than the L90s (slightly), but miss with a high spin ball and it's cab be v bad and etc and putting id finally where it counts huge and I am going off topic swiftly:) 

  That last 10% would have to be across all clubs, and personally I think would add to realism / fun.  Also the game never needed 750 credit balls but cat out of bag many feel they need those, or getting that way. to stand a chance in RGs / big ones. Whichever way we cut it the better players will still shine through, and that's as it should be.  Last thing we want is some muddy field where skill goes out the window.

  i think it would be interesting to have clubs like these, they probably wont win you a big wgt tournament but they could be great playing games with friends that are around the same average or for people that just want it a bit harder when they are playing a few rounds.

  they would work well on uneven lies using clubs like i suggested, using less spin is useful on uneven lies as most of the time you have a slight upslope anyway.

  they could be a wgt brand of clubs, for the player that wants a challenge and just wants to have fun

• CerinoDevoti 3,232 Posts

  Sat, Jul 5 2014 7:37 PM

  Marty,

  It's been my experience that we rarely get much support for making the game harder. Despite all the talk about scores being too low, players aren't looking for ways to make it any harder to play. Most just want it to be easier so they can score lower with less effort. The overall lack of support for Uneven Lies is a great example of what I'm saying.

  I fully understand what you're saying and the idea of adding in some decision making risk into the club dynamics is an interesting idea.

• MartyFlanagan 2,488 Posts

  Sat, Jul 5 2014 7:53 PM

  CerinoDevoti:

  Marty,

  It's been my experience that we rarely get much support for making the game harder. Despite all the talk about scores being too low, players aren't looking for ways to make it any harder to play. Most just want it to be easier so they can score lower with less effort. The overall lack of support for Uneven Lies is a great example of what I'm saying.

  I fully understand what you're saying and the idea of adding in some decision making risk into the club dynamics is an interesting idea.

  thanks CD