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dropping avg

• jiggsie 478 Posts

  Thu, Jul 17 2014 5:33 AM

  I have a friend who needs help getting the answer to "How do you lower your Avg".

  I know he has not reached his 500 game saturation since he became a Legend, and some of his games are not ranked, ie: CTTH, Putt, Par 5 and 3's etc. But I don't know enough to answer the following statement of his regarding his average. 

  Could/would somebody please post an answer to help. He became Legend some time in April and he thinks he has around 200 games since then.

  Trying very hard to reduce my avg. I'm confused about 2 things. I played a monthly WGT tournament at Congressional yesterday and had a windfall of -9 first time in months getting a score like that.  I thought my avg would drop considerably. However upon completing the round I was taken aback by how insignificant my avg. dropped, 1/10th of 1 % from 70.48 to 70.47 how can that possibly be? By that calculation I would have to shoot -18 for it to drop 2/10ths. The other side of the coin is worse. I shot + 1 on   the previous game @ Oakmont and it rose significantly higher from 70.39 to 70.48?  Have they changed the formula for avg. computations? does anyone know. Seems a bit odd to me. My avg round lately as I said has been consistent between + 1 and -2, mostly even par with an occasional +3 or +4 and also an occasional -3 -4 or -5 What gives, "DAZED and CONFUSED"

• alosso 21,092 Posts

  Thu, Jul 17 2014 5:38 AM

  Please translate the relative scores to gross scores as shown in the score history, then some estimation may be possible.

• jeepie411 3,197 Posts

  Thu, Jul 17 2014 6:26 AM

  The saturation point for Legend is 500 games. Once this level is reached then your score can not go higher. Each round played that is lower than the highest of the 500 will be displaced by the low score. What you will find is that when you first reach legend you will see dramatic changes in the average because the average is based on a smaller sampling (i.e. 100 rounds) As you progress the scores will not change as much because the -3 or -4 score is spread out over the average of the entire score history since making legend.

   

  Just keep plugging away and do not worry about your average as it will drop as you learn the game at the new tees

• alosso 21,092 Posts

  Thu, Jul 17 2014 6:41 AM

  Excuse me for being forthright, but it was established that the average is not saturated.

  And,

  jeepie411:

  Each round played that is lower than the highest of the 500 will be displaced by the low score.

  sounds gibberish: low replaces low?

  Furtheron,

  jeepie411:

  the -3 or -4 score

  is useless because gross scores count.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Thu, Jul 17 2014 6:55 AM

  alosso:

  jeepie411:

  Each round played that is lower than the highest of the 500 will be displaced by the low score.

  sounds gibberish: low replaces low?

  Yes and you know that, he's just saying it differently. You need 500 30's to get to TL so when you shoot a score that is lower than the highest of the 500 it replaces (displaces) that higher score. Only having 200 rounds in, the larger scores stay until you get to 500 so what jeepie says applies, just not yet.

  Even with only 200 RRs in, that -9 is still lumped in with all the really high rounds so the change won't be huge. This will change when the 500 is reached.

• alosso 21,092 Posts

  Thu, Jul 17 2014 7:01 AM

  Again, with probably 200 rounds the average is said not to be saturated.

  And, you say correctly, higher is replaced by lower scores. He says wrongly, "lower than the highest" is displaced by low. I understand that the highest would stay untouched.

  To the OP: Tell us the gross scores please!

• jiggsie 478 Posts

  Thu, Jul 17 2014 7:20 AM

  I'm sorry I don't know what you mean by Gross Scores - would looking at his profile page help - akk447

• EasyEdward 13,507 Posts

  Thu, Jul 17 2014 7:56 AM

  Here is your answer with a simple explanation and example.

  It is the power of large numbers when they are in the denominator.

  For example after 200 rounds lets say your average was 64.00 you then hit a 62 your average move ever so slightly to 63.99. However lets say you continue to score nothing but 62s and string 200 62s in a row. Your average will drop but only to 63.00. 

• bluzgolf 1,077 Posts

  Thu, Jul 17 2014 8:15 AM

  jiggsie:

  I'm sorry I don't know what you mean by Gross Scores - would looking at his profile page help - akk447

  What he means is the actual score not -5 or whatever.  A -5 on a par 72 = 67, but on a par 70 = 65.  It's the score number that move things, not the fact it's a -5.

   

• alosso 21,092 Posts

  Thu, Jul 17 2014 8:43 AM

  Good explanation - thank you!

  Most of all, not knowing if it's a 9 or 18 holes round makes it important.

  In your example, -5 on Par72 is 67 in the calculation, but -5 on nine holes (Par36) would count as (36-5)*2 = 62.

  @Jiggsie: The player named did not play CCC yesterday nor is any notion of this course visible in the week before.

  Please give us correct numbers to your questions without guesswork and whatnots. Otherways I'm sorry to say that my help ends here.