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What is the explanation?

• plumbology 1,123 Posts

  Thu, Jul 17 2014 6:08 PM

  178 yard shot hit for 180 Full back spin. Dinged. I understand a missed ding but this was not a miss.

  http://www.wgt.com/replay.aspx?ID=7074eec7-4092-4bc8-a5e8-a36c00101020

   

  The VEM?

• fmagnets 3,640 Posts

  Thu, Jul 17 2014 6:31 PM

  Are you querying the length or the direction? The length is about right for that club and that ball.

• plumbology 1,123 Posts

  Thu, Jul 17 2014 6:47 PM

  lol really. it is a side tail wind. it should have gone 177-178 

• JFidanza 1,676 Posts

  Thu, Jul 17 2014 7:20 PM

  Maybe the pros or WGT can answer a question I've wondered about and asked, and I got some answers, but I've heard both sides:

  Does a ball w/ an added distance rating add distance to other shots than the drive?

  Some say "YES a non-drive shot w/ a ball w/ a added distance dot will go a certain percentage farther."

  Some say "NO the added distance only applies to drives."

  ?

  From my experience, the added distance applied to a non-drive shot is none or not too much. Which is really how I like it. But I am still uncertain on that point.

  BUT MOVING ON....

  When I add backspin, esp. FULL BACK SPIN , I realize I am changing the trajectory of the ball - the power is now making it go UP more and less strait ahead. So, a ball can lose yardage depending on the situation (and the spin rating of the ball/club & club type, e.g. wedge, 4 iron), plus it generally rolls out less, natch.

  If I have a BIGGER tailwind then the ball w/ FULL BS will, again, be in the air MORE so the tailwind will carry the ball and it can go farther.

  But if the tail wind is small, none, or opposite, etc. a ball w/ full BS will go UP more and roll out less so, in that case it may, generally fall shorter.

  Any input or observations are surely welcome.

• spdemon 1,588 Posts

  Thu, Jul 17 2014 7:45 PM

  plumbology:

  178 yard shot hit for 180 Full back spin. Dinged. I understand a missed ding but this was not a miss.

  http://www.wgt.com/replay.aspx?ID=7074eec7-4092-4bc8-a5e8-a36c00101020

   

  The VEM?

  i just went to that hole was 172 out wind was 6-8 at 7 oclock played the same shot (with 3/4 bs the 97 nikes and callie 37 ) but was just past the hole 

• JFidanza 1,676 Posts

  Thu, Jul 17 2014 8:02 PM

  The wind says 3-5 mph from approx. '4 o clock' blowing to '10 o clock' (or estimated, you know) and if I am accurate, that may mean it could be sometimes 3 mph all the way w/ no gust to 4 or 5. That is just what I believe may be possible with this new 'wind gust range'. (?)

  Good question.

  But anyway, plus, the ball not dinged usually loses power, we understand.

  But if you look at the replay it seems the ball hit a 'pit' and that didn't help the already small roll out of a ball w/ spin, R11 and full BS.

  I don't have all the answers, or the R11s, but I do ask a lot of questions.

  p.s.

  spdemon, can you add was the wind blowing from 7, or to 7 (I'm guessing to 7) ?

  What was your club and what power percentage? Plus, what terrain or green lie did the ball hit? 

   

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  spdemon:

  i just went to that hole was 172 out wind was 6-8 at 7 oclock played the same shot (with 3/4 bs the 97 nikes and callie 37 ) but was just past the hole 

• spdemon 1,588 Posts

  Thu, Jul 17 2014 8:05 PM

  JFidanza:

  The wind says 3-5 mph from approx. '4 o clock' blowing to '10 o clock' (or estimated, you know) and if I am accurate, that may mean it could be sometimes 3 mph all the way w/ no gust to 4 or 5. That is just what I believe may be possible with this new 'wind gust range'. (?)

  Good question.

  But anyway, plus, the ball not dinged usually loses power, we understand.

  But if you look at the replay it seems the ball hit a 'pit' and that didn't help the already small roll out of a ball w/ spin, R11 and full BS.

  I don't have all the answers, or the R11s, but I do ask a lot of questions.

  p.s.

  spdemon, can you add was the wind blowing from 7, or to 7 (I'm guessing to 7) ?

  What was your club and what power percentage? Plus, what terrain or green lie did the ball hit? 

   

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  spdemon:

  i just went to that hole was 172 out wind was 6-8 at 7 oclock played the same shot (with 3/4 bs the 97 nikes and callie 37 ) but was just past the hole 

  into at 7 why i tried it at 172 lol but i think the hole plays long just tried it with a 7-9 cross wind and was 177 out it went 169 2 times and 168 the last (might be why mags said the distance was correct lol idk )

• fmagnets 3,640 Posts

  Thu, Jul 17 2014 8:25 PM

  plumbology:

  lol really. it is a side tail wind. it should have gone 177-178 

  In your replay the wind is straight across right to left, not a side tail wind. That iron goes around 174 full bs with that ball, and the hole usually plays a couple of yards long. So by my reckoning it has gone exactly the right length.

• fmagnets 3,640 Posts

  Thu, Jul 17 2014 8:37 PM

  JFidanza:

  Does a ball w/ an added distance rating add distance to other shots than the drive?

  Not necessarily. It depends on the balance of spin and distance of the ball, on the spin rating of the clubs you are using, and on how much bs you apply. As you say, the distance is adding initial ball speed. The ball spin, coupled with the spin rating of the club, is adding a higher flight the lower you put the spin dot. 

  eg. the L81 Nikes go further off the tee than the L61s with the low spin rated driver, but are a few yards shorter with high spin irons using full bs because their higher spin rating outweighs their higher distance rating. 

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Thu, Jul 17 2014 8:40 PM

  I mapped the R11 6I and callyL35 at 173 full back.  I don't see a problem with the OP carrying 171.