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uneven lies virtual open championship 2015

• AgentBrown123 907 Posts

  Sun, Jul 20 2014 11:57 AM

  MartyFlanagan:

   big red lies in bunkers your probably better off using your pw and pitching it,

  Sorry but I can't agree with you on that, pitching does not help and sometimes it makes it worse.... There are some decent lies in the bunker or around some bunkers that are manageable. But there are some such as moderate or severe downhill lies that don't react reasonably for a golf game and certainly not in real life. Another shot that is completely wrong are sidelies in the bunker or near the green. You have to aim miles to the left or right. In real golf or in a virtual game that's supposed to be realistic, you would aim just a little left or right.

  MartyFlanagan:

  for a 10yd bunker shot on a big yellow lie you should use the 41 punch 85% fts power lands 9yd goes 12 -14yd depending on the green

  if you played a punch shot at 85 percent power it would go way over the green realistically. You might swing that hard, but you're hitting 2 inches behind the ball. Even with a very uphill lie. My point is, it's just way too extreme as it is.

  MartyFlanagan:

  it depends of the lie just like real golf some lies are harder then others, using chip and pitch shots is not that bad around the greens

  If you have a yellow or red downhill lie in uneven's and you have to clear something anywhere between 2-10 yards all I have to say is good luck with that...  Take #17 bunker on st. andrews for instance. Trying to get to the back left pin over that bunker is impossible with a downhill lie... it'll shoot straight down into the bunker no matter what club or type of shot you hit. The only way you could possibly get over bunker is if you hit a club way more than you need and it still might not clear. In the case it did, it would probably launch over the green and OB. But, more likely you'll dunk your shot in the bunker and be left with a red lie with a very low chance if getting up and down. That's what I mean by it comes down to luck at that stage.

  MartyFlanagan:

  i always try to get 100% GIR then i dont have to worry about the rough or the sand

  Sure you need to keep in fairways and hit greens, but when you do miss which will happen, it shouldn't come down to a sht shoot. it's just too extreme in certain cases. Like I said, in my opinion it needs a lot of work before it can be used in an open... i.e. Open Chamionship or VUSO

  I'm with you on using uneven lies for these kind of tournaments... I enjoy the challenge. It just needs refinement.

   

• AgentBrown123 907 Posts

  Sun, Jul 20 2014 12:07 PM

  Double post.

• LOLserver 3,522 Posts

  Mon, Jul 21 2014 2:37 PM

  I'm a UEL fan indeed, I 'd love to see more UEL stuff in this game......but I do not believe WGT would make such UEL Open, unfortunately. I did ask myself the same question last year a couple of months before the Us Open and then, again before the latest Virtual Us Open.....the response from WGT was clear; no chance.

  I have been advocating the cause since the the latest UEL "fix" for a couple of years ago. Yes, we got the weekly uel tournaments & some other more interesting uel tournaments like the Nation Uneven Lies running at the moment.

  Who knows what plans WGT has for the uneven lies feature. It looks to me like UEL feature is something like the Nation project.........unfinished. And until finished, the projects will not take lots of attention from WGT.

  I bear with you Marty, we in the same boat m8....and of course I wish there were plans for a UEL Open in the future.

  Eric

• fmagnets 3,640 Posts

  Mon, Jul 21 2014 3:55 PM

  AgentBrown123:

  Trying to get to the back left pin over that bunker is impossible with a downhill lie... it'll shoot straight down into the bunker no matter what club or type of shot you hit. The only way you could possibly get over bunker is if you hit a club way more than you need and it still might not clear. In the case it did, it would probably launch over the green and OB. But, more likely you'll dunk your shot in the bunker and be left with a red lie with a very low chance if getting up and down. That's what I mean by it comes down to luck at that stage.

  I agree with much of what you say, but not this bit. This is as it should be. In real life it is luck as to what lie you get in a bunker, and if you end up on an impossible slope you may well have to play out sideways or backwards. The pros often have to do this when in the Road Hole bunker. It is a lottery, and it can be unfair, but that is golf.

  The downhill lies are fairly realistic in UEL, as you can't add much loft to a downhill lie shot in real life. It's just the sidehill lies and uphill lies that are not realistic, and more so with the shorter clubs. In real life you don't have to match your clubhead angle to the lie angle to play these shots, whereas WGT forces you to do this.

  I feel that if WGT added a bit to their UEL code that reduced the current UEL effect the more lofted your club is, only on uphill and sidehill lies, then a more realistic product would be achieved. 

• AgentBrown123 907 Posts

  Mon, Jul 21 2014 4:18 PM

  fmagnets:

  I agree with much of what you say, but not this bit. This is as it should be. In real life it is luck as to what lie you get in a bunker, and if you end up on an impossible slope you may well have to play out sideways or backwards. The pros often have to do this when in the Road Hole bunker. It is a lottery, and it can be unfair, but that is golf.

  The downhill lies are fairly realistic in UEL, as you can't add much loft to a downhill lie shot in real life. It's just the sidehill lies and uphill lies that are not realistic, and more so with the shorter clubs. In real life you don't have to match your clubhead angle to the lie angle to play these shots, whereas WGT forces you to do this.

  I feel that if WGT added a bit to their UEL code that reduced the current UEL effect the more lofted your club is, only on uphill and sidehill lies, then a more realistic product would be achieved. 

  I can understand your point of view, but I don't think you've had this happen to you before on 17th st. andrews or else I think your opinion would be different... Of course it's going to come out lower when it's a downhill lie, but I know for a fact it's possible to get it up in the air enough to clear a bunker. I had a shot were I had a 29 flop from 15 feet 40 50 rough on st andrews 17... It didnt get an inch off the ground, it trickled into the middle of the bunker and then I was left with a red lie and then that one even though I was aimed WAY to the right shot straight to the left of the green. That's what I mean by unrealistic.... Of course it's going to and should come out lower with the downhillers. And also I agree with your point about bunkers, that's not the point I was trying to make though. Sometimes you're right in the middle of a bunker or towards the front or back and you have a very small chance of getting it up an down. That's the part I'm saying is unrealistic. If it's up against the lip, then heck ya you should have no chance.

   

• CerinoDevoti 3,232 Posts

  Mon, Jul 21 2014 4:28 PM

  LOLserver:

  I'm a UEL fan indeed, I 'd love to see more UEL stuff in this game......but I do not believe WGT would make such UEL Open, unfortunately. I did ask myself the same question last year a couple of months before the Us Open and then, again before the latest Virtual Us Open.....the response from WGT was clear; no chance.

  I have been advocating the cause since the the latest UEL "fix" for a couple of years ago. Yes, we got the weekly uel tournaments & some other more interesting uel tournaments like the Nation Uneven Lies running at the moment.

  Who knows what plans WGT has for the uneven lies feature. It looks to me like UEL feature is something like the Nation project.........unfinished. And until finished, the projects will not take lots of attention from WGT.

  I bear with you Marty, we in the same boat m8....and of course I wish there were plans for a UEL Open in the future.

  Eric

  I don't think Marty is asking WGT to replace a flat lies Open with an UEL Open. I think he's just asking for a separate 2 round UEL Open as well as a flat lie Open on St A next year.

• CerinoDevoti 3,232 Posts

  Mon, Jul 21 2014 4:35 PM

  fmagnets:

  The downhill lies are fairly realistic in UEL, as you can't add much loft to a downhill lie shot in real life. It's just the sidehill lies and uphill lies that are not realistic, and more so with the shorter clubs. In real life you don't have to match your clubhead angle to the lie angle to play these shots, whereas WGT forces you to do this.

  I feel that if WGT added a bit to their UEL code that reduced the current UEL effect the more lofted your club is, only on uphill and sidehill lies, then a more realistic product would be achieved. 

  Mags, did you play UEL when it first came out? Corwyn and I were all over it from day one. The version we have now is exactly 50% less severe than the first version. It took twice the amount of angle offset to play shots in the first version. Sidehill shots even of a slight degree went sideways bigtime and the bunker shots were nearly impossible even if they were nearly flat.  I'm not seeing WGT changing it up to a lesser version at this point. I think what we have is what we have. I do like your idea of scaled uneven effect as the clubs get shorter. Just don't see WGT making another change.

• fmagnets 3,640 Posts

  Mon, Jul 21 2014 4:59 PM

  CerinoDevoti:

  Mags, did you play UEL when it first came out? The version we have now is exactly 50% less severe than the first version.

  Sounds horrendous!! I think I either hadn't joined, or was still learning the game when this first version was out there. It has always played similarly to now as far as my experience stretches back.

  I hope WGT keep working on it. Imagine sticking the current version on the Golf Channel for the Virtual Tour finale. The casual observer would think that some of the shots were totally idiotic - not a good advert for WGT. But a more realistic version for uphill and sidehill lies, especially short ones, would make a great showcase. 

• MartyFlanagan 2,488 Posts

  Mon, Jul 21 2014 5:56 PM

  AgentBrown123:

  Sorry but I can't agree with you on that, pitching does not help and sometimes it makes it worse.... There are some decent lies in the bunker or around some bunkers that are manageable. But there are some such as moderate or severe downhill lies that don't react reasonably for a golf game and certainly not in real life. Another shot that is completely wrong are sidelies in the bunker or near the green. You have to aim miles to the left or right. In real golf or in a virtual game that's supposed to be realistic, you would aim just a little left or right.

  here is an example; kiawah 5th hole10yd from the front pin and nearly 2ft below green, i would pitch with my pitching wedge when the lies is 30/40 flashing red. if you have a big lip to go over you need to punch your shortest wedge. if you have a big upslope it can be good to use a club with less loft like a pw or 9iron.

  AgentBrown123:

  if you played a punch shot at 85 percent power it would go way over the green realistically. You might swing that hard, but you're hitting 2 inches behind the ball. Even with a very uphill lie. My point is, it's just way too extreme as it is.

  if you are punching a club that you can only hit 50 yards (from the fairway) and your ball is plugged in the sand like a fried egg i cant see you hitting it over the green at 85% power in real life.

  AgentBrown123:

  If you have a yellow or red downhill lie in uneven's and you have to clear something anywhere between 2-10 yards all I have to say is good luck with that...  Take #17 bunker on st. andrews for instance. Trying to get to the back left pin over that bunker is impossible with a downhill lie... it'll shoot straight down into the bunker no matter what club or type of shot you hit. The only way you could possibly get over bunker is if you hit a club way more than you need and it still might not clear. In the case it did, it would probably launch over the green and OB. But, more likely you'll dunk your shot in the bunker and be left with a red lie with a very low chance if getting up and down. That's what I mean by it comes down to luck at that stage.

  i have not been in many bunkers lately but i usually can get up and down to get my par if i have an ok lie. its been a long time since i was in a bunker on one of the links courses, there are tough on wgt and really tough in real life if your at the back of the bunker on a down slope, i just play smart and go 10ft behind the pin or to the side if its close to a bunker. it gives you a great chance at birdy.

  AgentBrown123:

  Sure you need to keep in fairways and hit greens, but when you do miss which will happen, it shouldn't come down to a sht shoot. it's just too extreme in certain cases. Like I said, in my opinion it needs a lot of work before it can be used in an open... i.e. Open Chamionship or VUSO

  I'm with you on using uneven lies for these kind of tournaments... I enjoy the challenge. It just needs refinement.

  usually when i miss i can get up and down for par, i have practiced a lot on my uneven lies short game, it doesnt have to be the main tournament on wgt, they could have it as a wgt nation tournament with a good prize fund and have it at the same time as the even one.

• MartyFlanagan 2,488 Posts

  Mon, Jul 21 2014 5:58 PM

  CerinoDevoti:

  I don't think Marty is asking WGT to replace a flat lies Open with an UEL Open. I think he's just asking for a separate 2 round UEL Open as well as a flat lie Open on St A next year.

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