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Reference of CC Levels and XPs

• alosso 21,072 Posts

  Sun, Jun 28 2015 9:27 PM

  I'd say, exclusive = empty.

  This will be the easiest = cheapest way to answer to the growing gap between L17's "more levels coming soon" and reality, the knell of doom audible in the distance.

• EasyEdward 13,507 Posts

  Mon, Jun 29 2015 1:29 PM

  courteneyfish:

  WGT have said to me that they set the figure that high to add some exclusivity. How having dozens of the clubs on level 19 makes it exclusive I have no idea.

  Exclusivity for sure! 

  Just made some calculations for the top 46 CC XP earners to date (all level 11 and above CCs).

  Took the XPs for level 20 and subtracted the current total for each CC. Then divided that by the average number of CC XPs generated only a daily basis (curent XPs / 322 days) and this is what I found out. 

  • The first CC will make it in about 3.5 years. 
  • The 46th will get there in 19.7 years.
  • If you are not at CC Level 11 right now - not to fret - you have just 20 to 30 years to get to be considered "exclusive" by WGT....

  I know some CCs are doing better now then their average per day over the last 322 days and others a earning less and also figure that many these CCs will not even be in existing 20 years from now. 

  So just in case WGT did not make some calculations before they determined the XPs needed and the time taken - here are mine:

   

   

  L	#	CC Name	Current	Days	Years
  19	1	The Peoples Club	57,255,745	1,290	3.5
  18	2	Old Duffers Retreat	50,836,681	1,494	4.1
  18	3	IBIS GC	45,684,356	1,698	4.7
  18	4	The Georgian	45,596,657	1,702	4.7
  18	5	Sherbrooke	43,449,978	1,802	4.9
  17	6	Scottish Bravehearts	34,560,250	2,349	6.4
  16	7	Augusta National	33,841,545	2,405	6.6
  16	8	The Madrid GC	32,390,352	2,528	6.9
  15	9	Eagle Club GA	29,193,834	2,840	7.8
  15	10	Senior Citizens	29,103,888	2,849	7.8
  15	11	East Coast	28,390,161	2,929	8.0
  14	12	The Serenity Club	24,403,077	3,460	9.5
  14	13	Carolina Sandhills	23,717,211	3,570	9.8
  14	14	JunkyardDogs	23,618,740	3,586	9.8
  14	15	Smoking Tees	23,002,166	3,691	10.1
  14	16	Tigers Best Pros	22,264,767	3,824	10.5
  13	17	WGT Amigos	21,463,801	3,978	10.9
  12	18	Majestic Mountain	20,340,568	4,216	11.6
  13	19	Palm Beach Kiawah GC	19,989,914	4,295	11.8
  13	20	Scoundrels+and+Wenches	19,666,060	4,371	12.0
  12	21	Black Diamond Hills	18,886,077	4,565	12.5
  12	22	O Canada	18,698,096	4,614	12.6
  12	23	Au Revior Gopher CC	18,051,781	4,791	13.1
  12	24	No Quitters Here Please	18,000,391	4,806	13.2
  12	25	Terme di Saturnia GC	17,873,472	4,842	13.3
  12	26	Aussie Aussie Aussie	17,540,195	4,940	13.5
  12	27	Friendly Active PC	16,187,995	5,380	14.7
  12	28	UK Golfers Elite	16,084,235	5,417	14.8
  12	29	GO FOR THE GUSTO	15,888,891	5,487	15.0
  12	30	Supreme Bluestream	15,859,026	5,498	15.1
  11	31	Southern England Links	14,962,697	5,847	16.0
  11	32	Squirrel Killers	14,914,477	5,867	16.1
  11	33	Misfits and Outcasts	14,414,017	6,082	16.7
  11	34	Black Diamond GC	14,411,787	6,083	16.7
  11	35	Cool Citizens	14,286,306	6,139	16.8
  11	36	The Jerky Meter	14,203,836	6,176	16.9
  11	37	CC for Golfaholics	13,992,233	6,275	17.2
  11	38	A Band of Brothers	13,938,505	6,300	17.3
  11	39	Bridgestone Golf	13,618,286	6,456	17.7
  11	40	Bostons Best 4	13,511,448	6,509	17.8
  11	41	no sorrys united	13,320,979	6,607	18.1
  11	42	1	13,317,328	6,609	18.1
  11	43	Grande Oaks	12,593,539	7,007	19.2
  11	44	Double Eagle	12,552,718	7,031	19.3
  11	45	Black Label Society	12,541,832	7,037	19.3
  11	46	The Yorkshire County GC	12,289,766	7,188	19.7

   

• alosso 21,072 Posts

  Mon, Jun 29 2015 2:24 PM

  Industrious analysis, Edward!

  But, sorry to say, it don't mean a thing to me. This ain't personally but factual.

  The point is, this CC XP thing has been existing for about nine months only. TPE has brought it to the top and to it's limits in this time.

  Which basis would a 4:1 estimation have?

  Nobody knows what anybody will do in four year's time! A new CC may be created tomorrow or in two year's time, and they may rise faster than you = faster than lightning, and they may be at level 20 in no time.

  All of this is an open guess.

• EasyEdward 13,507 Posts

  Mon, Jun 29 2015 6:23 PM

  alloso:

  My post had nothing to do with TPC, But rather the silliness (IMO) of WGT setting the bar so high for level 20.

  My opinion is that WGT wants CC members to buy CC Passes as that is income to them. I think we can agree on that point.

  My numbers also say something quite simple.

  If I just play my free CC Pass (buying one only when WGT error ends my round and I do not get my daily bonus in).  Let whatever that number is be "X"  CC XPs.

  Now assume I use my free CC Pass for that same round BUT buy an extra CC Pass every day to contribute to my CC and help get us to the next level.

  What that does 1 year of doing that cost me? 365 days x 37 credits or $135.05 in profit to WGT.

  For that investment I get my CC extra CC XPs. For example, say each of those CC Passes were used in a 9 hole CC tourney and I score a 30 that equals 210 CC XPs a day or  76,650 CC XPs.

  For that investment over the next year I get what? Answer: About 4 hours off the amount of time it will take my (or your) CC to get to level 20.  $135.05 for 4 hours less getting to the next CC Level AND we are talking 4 hours less in terms of 3.5 to 20 years here - not a wise use of credits I would say.

  Think of it this way:

  Given that WGT wants to sell CC Passes to increase profit margins that is their right BUT they should be encouraging not discouraging folks to increase WGT's profit margin by buying those CC Passes.

  Does creating a system whereby it is futile to buy a CC Pass (absent any "benefits for the next level) make any sense what-so-ever?

  The answer in my mind is a resounding NO.

  Again just my opinion, but WGT just shot their profit margin from CC Pass sales in the foot with this one move.

  EE

   

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Mon, Jun 29 2015 7:09 PM

  For those that cared about the chase no disrespect.  

  Most clubs do not care about the chase, and frankly never will.  That's important because it means there could never be benefits beyond a certain level whether buying passes or not.  This is because  creating benefits that actually matter using just high free and bought XP levels as a measure would stifle most smaller clubs, and smaller clubs flourishing everywhere are real growth.  

  If this "cap" was intended (and lasts) at least it finally stops some clubs aimlessly chasing a reward that was never going to happen.  

  Maybe WGT will introduce some more benefits even if hard to see how, IMO.  They obviously won't be at L20 (or close to, IMO) for a very long time though.

  There isl still the weekly free and paid for combined XP list of you are interested in that side of things anyway??  

  JMO and I freely admit I never had much time for anything to do with buying passes to gain rewards in a golf game, and that's up to and including "winning" a daft gimmick in that idiotic clash debacle.

• alosso 21,072 Posts

  Mon, Jun 29 2015 8:47 PM

  EasyEdward:

  alloso:

  Huh?

  EasyEdward:

  My post had nothing to do with TPC, But rather the silliness (IMO) of WGT setting the bar so high for level 20.

  I certainly didn't mean to talk about TPC. I understood earlier that you took up the race for CC levels as a sport, and I have full respect towards your achievement.

  Other than that, the only interest for any CC should be to get their desired membership quota. The whole subject cannot be of any reasonable interest for any CC of level 11+ where they receive the max member quota of 250. Other than that, there's nothing to gain of any value from L7 on.

  Therefore, you should take any CC of a "historic" 250 quota out of the calculation. This system isn't made for us because we are exempt from the grind for quota. It didn't need L20 to show how ridiculous the system is. Your achievement only made this fact clear to the last faithful believer.

  EasyEdward:

  My opinion is that WGT wants CC members to buy CC Passes as that is income to them. I think we can agree on that point.

  +1000, and it may be interesting or "necessary" for some new CCs with a desire to grow. Only thing for me is, 880 extra XPs for free will always beat 210 XPs for 37 cr.

  It's up to us to decide what is good for us, and I still don't see any reason to buy a pass. Did you ever calculate the benefit that we might have from buying the occasional pass to save the CDP?

  And, BTW, when calculating these four hours, did you take into account that any pass purchase would postpone the availability of the next free pass?

   

  Edit:

  A WGT pointer to the start of this subject: News from Aug 12, 2014