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*** Green dots update ***

• JLeary1 416 Posts

  Mon, Apr 13 2015 1:55 PM

  Edited: Not relevant to this thread

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Mon, Apr 13 2015 7:32 PM

  If you only have one frame selected on the timeline it is easy to show a low FBS number in the Summary panel on the top right IF that frame has overrun its allocated budget (the red line.

  Or if you select multiple frames on the time line you will get the FPS over that range of frames.  And if those frames run over their allocated budget you'll get a low FPS.

  For that snippet of Scout data I'd say you only have a few frames selected and they mostly ran over budget producing a low frame rate for that time.  Most of the frames in that sequence are idle with no activity.

  BTW, I see very little if any network activity on your sample.  Network activity is shown as yellow bars.  Orange bars, like the tall one at around 3.6 sec, are Other activities likw garbage collection, event processing,etc.

  JLeary1:

  I have a bunch of readings from different files, as there are multiple .swf files in use when the game client is running.

  How do you know which file is producing the meter or producing the putting dots?

• JLeary1 416 Posts

  Mon, Apr 13 2015 9:06 PM

  You are missing the point.

  My point originally was the radically variable fps being the issue for possible meter glitches. You challenged me saying 4-12 fps is highly unlikely, I've shown you it is not. You then say extend your time frame, sure I can do that. But I was interested in actual transient fps values, temporary low fps values which then rise quickly again is what could cause meter issues etc. Of course if I was to run scout for a month, we'd see higher values, but clicking my ding mark is more or less instantaneous, not something that happens averaged out over time.

  Did you not see that the time frame selected in my screen capture was approx 1 second?

  A parallel is when a screen capture is made of a video on screen. If the hardware constraints are such that a screen capture cannot render and save frames at the target frame-rate, then frames are dropped / interpolated, and the resulting output looks jerky, to some extent. I don't feel I need to explain this to you, I am sure you understand all that.. so then you understand that average fps are not of primary interest in my case, but short periods where the fps drops considerably. All files in the scout session I ran had blocks where the fps was considerably lower than the average.

  But anyways, I feel this is not of use to this current discussion. Low fps or not, variable or not, the dots change speed. The question of what is causing it I'm not paid to discover. Best of luck with it, andyson.

• PRIESTESS 10,721 Posts

  Tue, Apr 14 2015 4:28 AM

  fatdan:

  have played on for a long time is running XP

   

  Because Microsoft are no longer supporting XP and AMD Graphic drivers have stopped updating XP .Would this create a problem for XP users when WGT update codes also Flash and browser? I too use XP and have struggled for a while to see a steady stable meter. I regularly updated my graphics driver but haven't since XP was kicked into touch Here is the latest release from AMD , as you can see it is 2014.Almost 1 year old.

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• Balzar1 1 Posts

  Tue, Apr 14 2015 4:29 AM

  I ahve no idea what your saying but I do know the only way to play this game successfully is to spend money. If you don't buy credits and thereby purchase equipment and ratings you will remain with the unforgiving game which misses puts by one inch and varies wind to the extent that it is virtually impossible to gauge and adjust accurately. Did I say virtually; that is all this game is virtual....virtual and not reliant on too much skill; just money.

   

  Enough said I'm out.

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Tue, Apr 14 2015 9:07 AM

  JLeary1:

  Did you not see that the time frame selected in my screen capture was approx 1 second?

  Since you conveniently deleted your screen capture from your post.....here it is again.

  

  Well NO we can't see the time frame selected because you've cropped it out!  Here, from the Scout tutorial, is where we could have seen what time frame you selected!

  

  Maybe you should look at what you post before making a comment like that?

  JLeary1:

  You are missing the point.

  My point originally was the radically variable fps being the issue for possible meter glitches. You challenged me saying 4-12 fps is highly unlikely, I've shown you it is not.

  You haven't proved diddly.  You expect us to believe you because you posted a pic that says 7.9 FPS?

  -We don't know what the game is doing for the data shown.

  -We don't know if the data shown represents the Flash file that produces the meter

  -You're unable or unwilling to answer those questions

  -You've deleted all your prior posts on this subject.  Wow!

  From the Scout tutorial, you open Scout first then you open a SWF and Flash automatically starts sending data to Scout.

  Your little snippet of Scout info does show you're only 4 seconds into data collection.  Looks like you opened Scout and then opened the Game Client.  If you're only 4 seconds in opening the Game Client, you're still loading files!  You're no where near providing data on the meter.  Likely you've selected a file loader program for your "proof".  But you didn't say what WGT file the data came from and you didn't show that on your screenshot. 

  As far as I'm concerned its all BS!  You don't know what you're looking at.  Your statement "adobe scout says WGT delivers 4 to 12 fps" is mis-information.

  JLeary1:

  Edit: I'm not an expert on flash, or on using scout, so I could be wrong.

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  That I believe.

  Try reading this Adobe Scout tutorial "Getting Started with Adobe Scout"

  And BTW, I have not downloaded Adobe Scout or run Adobe Scout, only read about it.  But my past programming experience using similar trace programs allows me to understand what Scout does.  I won't download it until I know for certain it doesn't violate the WGT Terms & Conditions of not using a utility program with the game.

   

   

   

• pearljammmmer 4,268 Posts

  Tue, Apr 14 2015 11:01 AM

  Balzar1:

  I ahve no idea what your saying but I do know the only way to play this game successfully is to spend money. If you don't buy credits and thereby purchase equipment and ratings you will remain with the unforgiving game which misses puts by one inch and varies wind to the extent that it is virtually impossible to gauge and adjust accurately. Did I say virtually; that is all this game is virtual....virtual and not reliant on too much skill; just money.

   

  Enough said I'm out.

   

  With comments like that one, good idea.

• fatdan 3,379 Posts

  Tue, Apr 14 2015 11:43 AM

  PRIESTESS:

  Because Microsoft are no longer supporting XP and AMD Graphic drivers have stopped updating XP .Would this create a problem for XP users when WGT update codes also Flash and browser? I too use XP and have struggled for a while to see a steady stable meter.

  I have thought about that too, Microsoft just quit with the patches but I was wondering how long it would be compatable with other programs too...my meter is fine I only have problems with the grid dot speeds and I don't think it has anything to do with XP because I get the exact same thing on pc's with Win7 and Win8...