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• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Fri, Jun 19 2015 4:39 PM

  VEM9000:

  It's nice to know that I haven't been forgotten, Dave. Oh wait, Dave's not here, man! I hear you knockin' but, you can't come in.

  Open the pod bay doors for Dave you son of a Pong game!

• cej0 255 Posts

  Fri, Jun 19 2015 4:41 PM

  Ok I understand, I played a poor shot.  Maybe there was nothing I could do but shoot for 15 yards right or left.  I thought I was playing a shot that would end up long, which I didn't mind putting back down there, but instead, even with the ding shot, it wound up very short.  If I played that shot again with full power instead of 95% I imagine it would have sailed me entirely over the green.  So Many random variables put in there.  Is it all just up to luck?  I'm one for consistency, but how can you plan for something like that.  Is it going to fly or will it land short with the same input?  So I made 4 birdies in a row, but it's not like I was knocking it close every time.  Those 4 birdies were probably something like 60 ft of putting distance.  I'm just wondering how you figure out when the game is going to stick you and how you can compensate for that to take some of the frustration of inconsistency out of play.  

• siggipj76 2,989 Posts

  Fri, Jun 19 2015 4:54 PM

  one good thing to note down is , 145 shot  is going to be good on on course and short and then long on another ! 

  beth nr 1 100 needed, then you are going to be short all day long. Pinehurst , nr ?? need 5 yards more.

  Congo sometimes wants more and less. 

  take notes or mental ones on what your shot does.

  Siggi 

• jayw4862 3,364 Posts

  Fri, Jun 19 2015 8:30 PM

  siggipj76:

  145 shot  is going to be good on on course and short and then long on another ! 

  If it's an 8 iron..expect the unexpected on every shot. The 85 VForged, R11's and...whatever the irons I have now, all had/have issues with the 8 iron. Not on every shot, but the WTF shots come way more often using this iron than any other. I'd rather hit from 200yds than 145-150 any day. I'm still gonna be off by a mile, but at least I know it was my fault, and not a nice dinged shot that fell 15 yds short or 10 yds long.

  The 8 iron's kissin' cousin is the BB 3wd....Mind of it's own on any shot that requires accuracy, especially tee shots.

• siggipj76 2,989 Posts

  Fri, Jun 19 2015 8:42 PM

  jayw4862:

  siggipj76:

  145 shot  is going to be good on on course and short and then long on another ! 

  If it's an 8 iron..expect the unexpected on every shot. The 85 VForged, R11's and...whatever the irons I have now, all had/have issues with the 8 iron. Not on every shot, but the WTF shots come way more often using this iron than any other. I'd rather hit from 200yds than 145-150 any day. I'm still gonna be off by a mile, but at least I know it was my fault, and not a nice dinged shot that fell 15 yds short or 10 yds long.

  The 8 iron's kissin' cousin is the BB 3wd....Mind of it's own on any shot that requires accuracy, especially tee shots.

  yes the 8 iron is not that bad on the rsi 2 iron.

  It will not go 154 with full spin like it's crazy cousin the r11.

  With the 90 ball it is pretty deadly.

  with 95 % hit it's a 140 everytime, unless it is uphill, then expext roll.

  But the BB, it goes where it wants to go , 18th on chambers it landed me a sweet 86 and 3 feet down shot. . wedge saved me there.

  R15 at least is forgiving. 

  happy hitting everyone.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Sat, Jun 20 2015 7:01 AM

  cej0:

   I'm one for consistency, but how can you plan for something like that.

  By knowing what your club will carry. You're trying to force a choked 4i in there. How about the full 5i? Have you tried that? The best thing you can do for yourself is to go out to a long fairway like on the back 9 of BPB and hit up and down the fairways until you're comfortable knowing what the air time is for each of your irons.

  Once you know what the clubs will do, look at your shots from the standpoint of where the ball will land and then figure out what's going to happen after it lands. Does it need some backspin to slow it down? Or some top spin to keep it going? Is it landing on a slope that will make it act like it was shot out of a cannon or will it land on an up slope that stops it dead with no rollout?

  These are the kinds of questions you need to ask and answer for every shot. That's what builds consistency.

• 11BC2 555 Posts

  Sat, Jun 20 2015 7:32 AM

  Agreed.  Edit:  Agreed with Jay, i thought I quoted him before I wrote all this!  Although my rSi 2 Irons are great, there are 2 clubs that kinda suck lol.  That would be the PW and 8i.  They typically vary 4-6Y and never know what to get.  Doesn't matter of full b/s, 1/2, non, etc, they still prove challenging to use.

  So with those 2 clubs I'm usualy 3-4Y away from the pin, no matter what happens.  The 9i and 7i are typically within 2-7 feet, very accurate!  Hell, even the 6i-3i are more accurate than the PW and 8i ^.

  And I disagree to a rather large degree to those saying you need to plan for the worst possible shots that VEM might throw your way.   If you're trying for low scores there are some times when you need to be cautious but imo you still need to aim, swing, and put the ball where you want it to go, not where you think the golf Gods might put it for you  ;)

  Like Pinehurt2, front 9, hole #5, Par 5.  That green goes cray cray dh and left.  Anything Pin high/left is down the hill, period.  I'm all for aiming 1.5 - 2Y right, but aside from that, I won't deviate my aim more because VEM might destroy me.

• Yiannis1970 3,309 Posts

  Sat, Jun 20 2015 7:53 AM

  YankeeJim:

  This is where you and I are thinking different. I don't see VEM as some evil lurking in the background waiting to strike-it's there all the time..

   

  Wrong, wrong, wrong!!!

   

  http://www.wgt.com/forums/t/254824.aspx?PageIndex=48

   

  LOL.

   

   

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Sat, Jun 20 2015 10:01 AM

  11BC2:

  And I disagree to a rather large degree to those saying you need to plan for the worst possible shots that VEM might throw your way. 

  I don't believe I said to plan for the worst possible VEM shots.  I think of it as advanced course management. Making sure you take hazards out of play as much as possible(but not totally).  If we tried to take VEM totally out of play we'd be facing 25ft putts when VEM didn't bite.  Hard to put into words.  Its like dealing with missed dings, my tendency is to miss late so I take it into account somewhat when I aim, splitting the difference between a ding and a late miss.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Sat, Jun 20 2015 10:38 AM

  11BC2:

  imo you still need to aim, swing, and put the ball where you want it to go, not where you think the golf Gods might put it for you  ;)

  I agree. It's one thing to understand how VEM works but you can't let it get in your way or worse yet, get  in your thinking (Mr. Andyson.) Best thing to do is forget  about it and play your game. 

  @A-After our conversation I figured out what my problem is. I'm stuck on the second table, not good enough to get the 3rd table in play.  ;-)