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Sat, Jan 8 2011 3:02 PM (64 replies)
  • x1524807
    776 Posts
    Thu, Jan 6 2011 11:56 AM

    CanineSupervisor:
    And, as for Saddam Hussein and his sons-they WERE terrorists. Ask the citizens of Iraq.

    When did they terrorize you, and if they were terrorists why did we give them the gas to kill iranians, and their own people, WHO WAS THE TERRORIST

  • Doublemochaman
    2,009 Posts
    Thu, Jan 6 2011 11:58 AM

    I like George better as a comedian than as a political analyst.  Ironic that his stage setting is a stylized graveyard.

  • danohi50
    1,020 Posts
    Thu, Jan 6 2011 12:59 PM

    I so miss Carlin..yeah he is sinnical, but his irreverence for humor was priceless.

  • neildiamond11790
    1,115 Posts
    Thu, Jan 6 2011 1:34 PM

    x wrote:

    "How dare you say we do not love our country, we hate our country, how dare you"

    My point exactly, you hate your country.

    Try to learn how to read an analogy, it was about Charle approach, not what he was talking about in regards to deaths, his approach in educating the masses.

    I see you dont have the ability to separate arguements, and you are carrying resentment from your last schooling.  So I will leave it at that.

  • Wayno_1
    397 Posts
    Thu, Jan 6 2011 4:08 PM

    x1524807 wrote the following post at 01-06-2011 8:47 AM:

    neildiamond11790:
    If you have this view of the US then why do you choose to live here?
    neildiamond11790:
    If you have this view of the US then why do you choose to live here?

    do you leave your wife when you disagree with her, or do you show her the mistake she has made, and plead with her to do better

     

     

    I don't spew hatred toward or about my wife. I love her.

    It makes me sick that you live in this country

  • CharlemagneRH
    1,054 Posts
    Thu, Jan 6 2011 11:33 PM

    LizzieRossetti:
    We in Great Britain have a saying,I don't suppose we are unique;

    If you can read and write-Thank a teacher

    If you can read and write in English-Thank a Soldier


    If taken literally, that is, to mean that wars should be waged on behalf of the preservation of the English language, the colloquialism is one of the most absurd things that I have ever heard.

    Interpreted analogically to mean that soldiers defend liberties, etc., then it is still absurd, but slightly less so.

    LizzieRossetti:
    Personally I would hesitate to make judgements and form conclusions about something of which I had no experience,without first having talked with someone who had...


    Citizens should be hesitant to judge the military?  Most assuredly not.

    Keep in mind who it is that you allegedly serve: the people.  Citizens are completely justified in critiquing the military.  Liberties and freedom of speech are far more important than the feelings of soldiers.  Even having an argument over the matter of whether or not citizens should be able to judge the military would be distasteful.

    Additionally, most of my comments have little to do with the common military grunt.  Low-level soldiers had nothing to do with the funding and furnishing of weapons to the Indonesian Army, the US sanctions against Iraq, the decision to go to war, our support of Saddam back when he was doing immoral things, etc.  Those decisions were made in the upper echelons of government and the military.

    Furthermore, seeing as how soldiers would face severe reprisals if they were to criticize the war openly and effectively, the statements of support for US, UK, etc. foreign policies made by anyone in the military are rendered meaningless.  Even if it could be proven that a specific soldier was speaking genuinely when making statements in support of the war, there is still the fact that they have largely been brainwashed to consider.  Your opinion on these matters means less than the testimony given by those being put under duress and tortured at Guantanamo.

    LizzieRossetti:
    In the particular arenas of involvement we are currently engaged in,our humanitarian element expend resources for the benefit of all in the horrible circumstances we all find ourselves in,including the treatment of "enemy" wounded,civilians found to be in harms way,and our own casualties alike.


    How could the 1990-2003 US sanctions on Iraq, which killed well over a million people (1,000,00 by 1996) possibly be reconciled with your statement?

    How could US funding of the Indonesian army, which killed 200,000 in East Timor, possibly be reconciled with your statement?

    How could US coups and death squads in South America possibly be reconciled with your statement?

    Those things can't be reconciled with your statement, which is why it is simply absurd.  The US, et al. have a long track record of selectively giving aid, inflicting incredible amounts of harm without proper justification, and propping up oppressive regimes.  Your statement is very obviously false.

    LizzieRossetti:
    In the Military,we do not seek thanks from every livingsoul.


    It is just as well that you do not seek thanks because aside from certain exceptions (Tillman, Manning, et al.), you will not receive it... at least not from me.

    LizzieRossetti:
    I do not suppose for one minute that everyone will see my remarks in the same light that I do,however,I do know that in some small way I will have left at least MY mark,in a way that my heart dictated I should.I joined a line a long way from home,so that those who chose not to do so,could go about their own business without let or hindrance. Yes.I am saddened that those very people choose to use their freedom to denigrate freely,but that is their choice,because they still do have a choice.A choice that perhaps,someone else paid for with their life.Willingly.For them.


    Do not suppose that you fight for my benefit.  I have already said at least once that the US, UK, et al. would have been better off if they had done nothing instead of what they have done, so despite whatever you might say, I clearly do not believe that the behavior of our government and military, once it is all summed up in its totality, is beneficial to the citizenry of the US, UK, et al.

    There is, however, the question of who it is that you are truly working for to consider, for you are obviously not carrying out the wishes of the majority of US, UK, et al. citizens.  Perhaps you ought to reread the statements of oneputtdavid, who has openly and unequivocally said that he supports the war because he believes it will result in the emergence of Jesus Christ, even if it results in the deaths of hundreds of millions (paraphrase of his words.)  (Note: I fully agree with oneputdavid that it is the case that what we are seeing is an attempt to put on a Biblical play, of sorts.  The difference is that I believe it is incredibly foolish.)  oneputtdavid is not alone in this insanity.  In the US alone, those who believe and work for the same goals number in the tens of millions.

  • CharlemagneRH
    1,054 Posts
    Thu, Jan 6 2011 11:44 PM

    neildiamond11790:
    If you have this view of the US then why do you choose to live here?

    First and foremost because I was born here, like the founding documents, and believe Thomas Paine -- the catalyzing force behind the foundation America -- to be the single most incredible person in all of history.

    Another reason that I remain in the US is the same reason why a US citizen, during and especially after World War II, would not want to move to Hiroshima or Germany.  The US has decimated much of the entire world.  Furthermore, it controls or is otherwise allied with the overwhelming majority of the English-speaking world, which is the only language that I speak.  Leaving the country would also increase the likelihood that I would be added to some "terrorist" list (even though I would never do anything of the sort, as doing so would give the USG political capital) and be a target for assassination -- assassination of its citizens being something that the government has now officially admitted to doing.  If I were to leave the country, I would be self-exiling myself to live in a third-world country where almost everyone speaks a different language than I do, being shadowed by the CIA and/or assassinated.

    Asking the highly suggestive question, "Why don't you leave, then?," is a sign of ignorance or odious moral character, or both.  It is extremely distasteful.  This is a country that claims to protect liberty, not a strip club.

    neildiamond11790:
    And as mentioned earlier, I agree with many of his points just as I can agree with many of stencils, but the rest of Charles seems like I am reading what a terrorist writes.

    My statements in this thread also read a lot like the writings of Thomas Paine, who was, for all intents and purposes, the founder of America, or Noam Chomsky, who is, year after year, voted the most influential intellectual in the world.

  • CharlemagneRH
    1,054 Posts
    Fri, Jan 7 2011 12:23 AM

    thebigeasy707:

    I love America and respect their country folk but the table's tilted.

    When it comes to freedom of choice etc, I'll leave it to George Carlin because he says it all.

    Click on the link below to hear the truth.

    (Carlin vid)

    I see your Carlin and raise you a Stanhope!

  • oneputtdavid
    1,337 Posts
    Fri, Jan 7 2011 1:46 AM

    CharlemagneRH:
    Perhaps you ought to reread the statements of oneputtdavid, who has openly and unequivocally said that he supports the war because he believes it will result in the emergence of Jesus Christ, even if it results in the deaths of hundreds of millions (paraphrase of his words.)  (Note: I fully agree with oneputdavid that it is the case that what we are seeing is an attempt to put on a Biblical play, of sorts.  The difference is that I believe it is incredibly foolish.)  oneputtdavid is not alone in this insanity.

    Charle, get help!...Please....Can't you see that you are becoming a delusional blabbering fool? Your long oratorical responses to OP opinions, just to start a debate (for debates sake only) and to justify your own highly deceptive and convoluted views are borderline neurotic if not psychotic.

    I am not even going to respond to your "interpretation" of what I wrote in previous posts. That would be about as fruitful, as me taking a piss in the ocean and waiting for the ripple's to create a tsunami.

  • CharlemagneRH
    1,054 Posts
    Fri, Jan 7 2011 1:55 AM

    oneputtdavid:

    CharlemagneRH:
    Perhaps you ought to reread the statements of oneputtdavid, who has openly and unequivocally said that he supports the war because he believes it will result in the emergence of Jesus Christ, even if it results in the deaths of hundreds of millions (paraphrase of his words.)  (Note: I fully agree with oneputdavid that it is the case that what we are seeing is an attempt to put on a Biblical play, of sorts.  The difference is that I believe it is incredibly foolish.)  oneputtdavid is not alone in this insanity.

    Charle, get help!...Please....Can't you see that you are becoming a delusional blabbering fool? Your long oratorical responses to OP opinions, just to start a debate (for debates sake only) and to justify your own highly deceptive and convoluted views are borderline neurotic if not psychotic.

    I am not even going to respond to your "interpretation" of what I wrote in previous posts. That would be about as fruitful, as me taking a piss in the ocean and waiting for the ripple's to create a tsunami.

     

    The message conveyed in your earlier posts is pretty clear...

     

    oneputtdavid:
    Jesus the God will be leading an army to a war that will make all other wars seem like "friendly fire"

    Thats the Jesus that I worship. 

    As far as the rest of your post I could care less. By the way its going to get worse............... MUCH WORSE.

    oneputtdavid:
    Might be a bit crude for some, putting it that way. But if thats what it takes to get the WORD out, you betsha.

    oneputtdavid:
    Keep reading Charle, and it will click...:D

    (The last statement is quite obviously an allusion to Revelations, made very clear by your previous posts.)

    There is no sense in even attempting to convince anyone that you meant anything other than you support the wars because you believe they will result in the emergence of Jesus.

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