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• HackWilson1930 1,437 Posts

  Mon, Oct 12 2015 7:26 AM

  WGT is not real golf, but they do try to make conditions mirror real golf. Playing outside does bring wind and soggy fairways as well has pesky flies and other environmental considerations into play. Perhaps WGT could consider some days when we could have rain showers and slippery driver grips. Or have us play in 45 degree weather. At least in WGT windy conditions the ball on the green does not move and have to be replaced before putting. The few challenges that the WGT adds to the game make it more enjoyable and it is  far more comfortable than being outside in January in Michigan's UP.

   

   

• Isurion 8 Posts

  Mon, Oct 12 2015 1:48 PM

  Well I think it's a shame you have had to state this here.  I don't necessarily agree with you concerning the physics regards wind or putting maths.  But I do agree with you concerning the disconnects and game play problems (I'm gonna call them 'bugs').  I have no idea about your situation but some of the aggressive replies that this post has received are frankly ridiculous.  

  My father loved golf all his life.  His last 8 years he could not partake on a course, but a computer and good TV coverage gave him some small sense of the freedom.  I introduced him to Links386 and we played many rounds - he was terrible!  LOL.  He played WGT for a while, but got fed up of crashes and aggressive behavior and ended up just playing Links in his later days.  The Mike Jones designed courses blew him away :).  

  I know there are a lot of guys here who would love to be out there for real - swinging a club, but can't.  WGT is a very good thing, but it really hasn't gone anywhere from what Access built years ago.  Are we asking too much to expect this program to work without crashes?  I played a 4 ball skins game today - nearly.  Tour Master was kicked first, then a fellow Master, then me.  Round lasted six holes before we had been system kicked for 3 disconnects.   MAKE THE SERVERS AND GAME WORK!!!

  Some of us spend money in this community.  Don't kill the golden goose.  Fix it please.
  
  Help Crosshair22 enjoy this very good game again please. 

• ct690911 7,205 Posts

  Mon, Oct 12 2015 2:18 PM

  Isurion:

  Well I think it's a shame you have had to state this here.  I don't necessarily agree with you concerning the physics regards wind or putting maths.  But I do agree with you concerning the disconnects and game play problems (I'm gonna call them 'bugs').  I have no idea about your situation but some of the aggressive replies that this post has received are frankly ridiculous.  

  My father loved golf all his life.  His last 8 years he could not partake on a course, but a computer and good TV coverage gave him some small sense of the freedom.  I introduced him to Links386 and we played many rounds - he was terrible!  LOL.  He played WGT for a while, but got fed up of crashes and aggressive behavior and ended up just playing Links in his later days.  The Mike Jones designed courses blew him away :).  

  I know there are a lot of guys here who would love to be out there for real - swinging a club, but can't.  WGT is a very good thing, but it really hasn't gone anywhere from what Access built years ago.  Are we asking too much to expect this program to work without crashes?  I played a 4 ball skins game today - nearly.  Tour Master was kicked first, then a fellow Master, then me.  Round lasted six holes before we had been system kicked for 3 disconnects.   THEN MAKE THEN SERVERS AND GAME WORK!!!

  Some of us spend money in this community.  Don't kill the golden goose.  Fix it please.
  
  Help Crosshair22 enjoy this very good game again please. 

  ....hmmm, I re-read this entire string and the vast majority of comments are trying to help him do just that....but the message has to be received and understood as well...I disagree that these posts are "aggressive" or "ridiculous" ....there is certainly a sense of frustration that the OP would rather respond with obvious things like "wgt is set up to make people buy things" (it's a money making business !), or various red-herring roadblocks. As I said in one of my responses...wgt is what you make it.  If you want to hack the ball around, then wgt is the cheapest hobby available...if you want to be competitive in matches, then you will probably have to level the playing field with a some upgrades to your kit. WGT doesn't have a hidden agenda, and neither do the folks who generously took time from their day to provide advice, and perhaps a reality check.

   

• Isurion 8 Posts

  Mon, Oct 12 2015 3:29 PM

  ct690911  - I agree.  Absolutely WGT has to pay it's server rent and make it's owners happy.  But we, the players will scurry off to the next good place if someone steals their current market lead.  This is basically still the same product we enjoyed from Access from - well... I have copies of Links going back waaay too long (1996?).

  This is same game.  In fact LS was better in terms of lie - hell, I'm just a noob Master hear, maybe that ramps up, but the engine is still years old.  Tengine wasn't buggy - this is addon bugs.  If you buy a product and it's faulty - you take it back.  WGT is okay.  But if I spend $2 on a virtual bl00dy golf ball and get kicked out of my round of golf because WGT server / app issues AND it eating a third of my $2 golf ball.  Well then I want that back.
  
  Okay - now 'aggressive' and 'ridiculous'.  Let me rerun that from my post...  "but some of the aggressive" is what I said.  And I stand by that.  I have enjoyed many games on WGT same as I did on Links386 and LS online with people who no longer can enjoy the freedom, friendship and, yes, sense of winning of a real golf course.  Re-read yourself again, YJ...  But actually - Crosshair22 can respond.  

  Listen - I love golf.  A game I haven't been able to be play for years personally.  I seriously look forward to enjoying a damn good golf with you all on WGT soon :D

  Again - Crosshair22 wants a good game.  So do I.  So do you.  

• Isurion 8 Posts

  Mon, Oct 12 2015 3:57 PM

  ct690911
  

  You are obvs a long term and respected player here. I'm surprised you don't see the aggression in the comments this guy received.  In his own response in his third post he was on his back foot.

   I am just pointing out it's faults within game play. I am sure there are many who have come across the same issues, but don't say much about it. Comparing me to other players who score lower is silly at best. I am 70 years old and my reactions to the meter are far less as quick as my younger cohorts.

  Now re-read the thread - everyone ignores it.  We all get slower.  But then there's Crosshair's outlay.  As he said - he used to use pay balls - I really can't be bothered to go look up the quote - you read it recently anyway.  

  So now you play a game of skins.  Your $2 lasts 200 shots.  A penny a shot.  round of 70?

  nearly a dollar.

  system kicks ya

  DO YOU GET YOUR MONEY BACK?

   

  
  

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Mon, Oct 12 2015 4:27 PM

  Isurion:

   Re-read yourself again, YJ.

  It's called the truth and if you think that's aggressive then maybe you should rethink the sensitivity. I come from a place of experience quite similar to the OP's-age included-and find this game to be extremely realistic. The difference is, I've applied myself. He hasn't. 

  Isurion:

  I have copies of Links going back waaay too long (1996?).

  This is same game.

  No it isn't. Not even close. You have that Links game on your computer. There is no WGT on your computer, you load it up every time, fresh. That's what makes it unique as you can play it from any computer, anywhere there's internet access.

  The game engines are different but the basic premise of the game of golf is well rendered by both. They just do it differently and they don't cross over well. Different meters, equipment that's not a factor and no such thing as anything for sale in Links. You already spent it to get the game.

  Links is superior in the details of what it takes to shoot well-you get all the adjustments you get IRL and you better know how to use them or you won't be very good. But that's the advantage of having 300MBs of game details stored on your computer. 

   

  p.s., After looking at your profile I can see why you identify with the OP. You guys are casual players, not diehard addicts like most of the responders who have all been in the OP's shoes.  ;-)

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Mon, Oct 12 2015 4:44 PM

  YankeeJim:

  That's what makes it unique as you can play it from any computer, anywhere there's internet access.

  I'd say you can try to play it from any computer but without a few tweaks chances are the meter will be rough.

• paddywack 45 Posts

  Mon, Oct 12 2015 4:44 PM

  3 disconnects and out.. its every game I have yellow because of it why does it keep happening can some one fill me in .coz whats the point in playing cant win a game like this .

• Isurion 8 Posts

  Mon, Oct 12 2015 5:32 PM

  YJ - you are obvs either an employee, or a very avid player, as you say.  That's brilliant either way - sorry this conversation started in a negative, but as I think I mentioned I have been playing Links and now WGT golf for a very long time.  

  Not sure your "Not even close" ref to Links makes much sense since the Links courses have been ported to WGT.

  But no worries.  "p.s., After looking at your profile I can see why you identify with the OP. You guys are casual players, not diehard addicts like most of the responders who have all been in the OP's shoes.  ;-)"

  Confused.  I played WGT in 2010 and spent money then.

  I came back to WGT in 2015 after a successful mail spam campaign.

  Spent money again.

  My score reflects my virtual clicki-ness in golf.   Money does not buy a game in ability

  We should have a game... :)
   

  Suggest we use WGT starter clubs - you game for that?

  
  

• ct690911 7,205 Posts

  Mon, Oct 12 2015 6:23 PM

  Isuron;

     I know that you are well intended and your opinions certainly have merit...the OP was a bit scattered with his posts, ranging from the glitches many of us complain about, to his age preventing him from enjoying the full wgt experience, to the fact that wgt wants to make money. The fact is, this game is a business and wgt certainly plays on our human nature and competitiveness to ensure they make their profits. The glitches the vast majority of us are dealing with are frustrating, to say the least. These have been brought up in various posts, seemingly forever. 

    As far as his reflexes being slowed by age, that can be addressed by purchasing slow meter balls and/or clubs...or not. It's completely his decision. Unfortunately, as we age, many things we used to enjoy are relegated to memories. If he is willing to spend a few dollars and he practices, he can still be competent at this game...(the glitches notwithstanding).  WGT is certainly aware of the problems and there have been many theories espoused as to remedies. But, effecting repairs rest with them. We basically have two options until the glitches are resolved; put up with them or cease playing.

  cheers

  ct