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DISTANCE BUG.

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Mon, Oct 26 2015 6:33 PM

  PhiEaglesFan:

  However, this conversation is about the here, the today, the now. And this is what happens here, today, now.

  So why did you bring it up from "many years ago"?  You claim the club variances seen today are due to trajectory and spin just like you said they were many years ago.

  But that was wrong.  And you could be wrong again today.

• dmjenks 390 Posts

  Mon, Oct 26 2015 6:46 PM

  good instance of a distance bug - played Beth just now, 2nd shot 68 out, 2 up - played 68 punch 1-3 wind so slight left (emphasis SLIGHT left) - landed on the green 28 feet RIGHT of the pin ------  REALLY?????

• PhiEaglesFan 617 Posts

  Mon, Oct 26 2015 6:50 PM

  andyson:

  PhiEaglesFan:

  However, this conversation is about the here, the today, the now. And this is what happens here, today, now.

  So why did you bring it up from "many years ago"?

  It's called an example, and whether the example is 100% valid or not is a function of memory, not of correctness.  You've entirely missed the point, as my memory of events from 7-years ago is not the issue at hand.  My points was that you had to adjust then, and you have to adjust now.  Care to address THAT?

  Honestly, andy, I expect a better argument from you than that.  Present facts that back up your opinions, rather than quoting people out of context about minute details, all while not addressing their actual points.

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Mon, Oct 26 2015 6:56 PM

  PhiEaglesFan:

  It's called an example, and whether the example is 100% valid or not is completely irrelevant. 

  Giving a bad example to support your argument is never irrelevant.  It puts your whole argument in question.

   

• PhiEaglesFan 617 Posts

  Mon, Oct 26 2015 6:58 PM

  andyson:

  PhiEaglesFan:

  It's called an example, and whether the example is 100% valid or not is completely irrelevant. 

  Giving a bad example to support your argument is never irrelevant.  It puts your whole argument in question.

  All that it means is that you like to present trivial "gotchas" as actual arguments to overall points.

  If my point is that "peal harbor was bombed" and I say it was bombed on Dec 8th, 1941,  does that invalidate the overall point that Pearl Harbor was bombed?  No, it doesn't.  It just means that I got the date wrong.  It's the 7th, not the 8th.  A trivial detail considering the scope of that particular incident and my point that it was, ya know, bombed.

  But here you are arguing about "WHY"  the 7-iron is broken.  And here I am  telling you that "WHY" it's "broken" is not as important as "WHAT" it's doing as a result, and thereby adjusting to it.  My argument does not hinge on "WHY" the 7-iron, or the 6-iron, or the 8-iron or  comes up short .  The point is that it happened before and it's still happening now, and players are STILL not adjusting.

  Maybe next time try to address the actual points instead of coming up with cute "gotchas" about trivial details.  If anyone's stupid enough to think that a "gotcha" is going to  discredit me, well then god help them.  They're probably not the audience this was intended for.  However,  I know that you, andy, are both smarter and better than using gotchas.

  I am, after all, attempting to help people by telling you things that the best players would prefer that you not know.  That narrows the gap between them and you.  I'm curious, though as to what advantage you gain by  attempting to discredit me with gotchas since the worst thing that happens is no one gets better.  Do you not want players to get better?  I do.

  This is my advice.  If you want to play the game better then by all means have a look at what I said and maybe you'll learn something new, or approach something differently.   If you don't, then that's fine too.  I won't lose any sleep.  I know what I've done here game-wise and some of you do as well.  But please, let's not waste time on gotcha arguments about trivial details to an overarching point. 

  My point has been made and that's the last I really need say on this matter.  It's up you guys to take the advice or leave it.  I encourage you to take it, but ultimately it's your decision.

  Have a great day all.

• donsprintr 2,063 Posts

  Mon, Oct 26 2015 7:29 PM

  This is what happens when an argument about things becomes a quarrel ... 

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Mon, Oct 26 2015 7:32 PM

  Nah, this ain't an argument, Don. This is the apple trying to converse with the orange while the bananas watch. :-D

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Mon, Oct 26 2015 7:34 PM

  I see you are missing my point.  You're saying its all on the player, WGT yardages are not off.  You're saying we must adapt and adjust. We must learn trajectory and spin.  You're ruling out a WGT problem.  You said there was a problem many years ago with a 7 iron that was also due to trajectory and spin.  In truth it was a WGT problem.  Now you want us to ignore your mistake.  It's not trivial.  Poor form there.

  You could be wrong again.  It could be a WGT problem again.

  Sorry, deny it all you want, but it is true that a mistake like yours does cast doubt on the whole.  Try it in business sometime and see what happens.

  And, a final note,  as soon as a party starts getting personal and ripping an opponent it's a sign of weakness.

• PhiEaglesFan 617 Posts

  Mon, Oct 26 2015 7:37 PM

  andyson:

  And, a final note,  as soon as a party starts getting personal and ripping an opponent it's a sign of weakness.

  What's a sign of weakness is when you use a trivial gotcha in a piss-poor attempt to invalidate someone's point. 

  As I said, whether or not I remember the EXACT details of 5+ years ago does not change the fact that a 195 5-iron doesn't go 195 today.  I accept that, many players do not.  That was my point.  You have still failed to address THAT.  Instead you have just run your mouth about gotchas and have thus far, said nothing of actual consequence or added any value to the discussion at hand.

  Instead, for some reason, you're hell-bent on gotcha'ing me until you're blue in the face, all while accomplishing nothing in the process.  Have fun with your blue face, I guess.

• twinponds169 3,040 Posts

  Mon, Oct 26 2015 7:39 PM

  PhiEaglesFan:

  If my point is that "peal harbor was bombed" and I say it was bombed on Dec 22nd, 1941,  does that invalidate the overall point that Pearl Harbor was bombed?  No, it doesn't.  It just means that I got the date wrong.  It's the 21st, not the 22nd.

  Really?