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  • MTBR
    182 Posts
    Sun, Nov 8 2015 6:26 PM

     

    Concerning TIES for 1st place :

     

    FAQ states:  In the event of a tie, the better scoring entrant between or among the tied entrants will be the entrant with the lowest combined score for the final nine (9) holes of the Game. If any ties remain, the better scoring entrant between or among the remaining tied entrants will be the entrant with the lowest combined score for the final six (6) holes for such Game. If any ties remain, the better scoring entrant between or among the remaining tied entrants will be the entrant with the lowest combined score for the final three (3) holes for such Game. If any ties remain, the better scoring entrant between or among the remaining tied entrants will be the entrant with the lowest score for the 18th hole (9th for nine hole games) in such Game, and any remaining ties will be determined by identifying the lowest scoring entrant for each individual game hole, in sequence from 17th (8th for nine hole games) through to 1st, as is necessary to determine a winner, and if any ties remain at that point, the earlier-submitted entry between or among the tied entries will be deemed the better scoring entry.

     

    Terms & Conditions states:     Read the last line.

    In-Game Skill Based Competitions

    As part of regular WGT game play, WGT may sponsor and give you the opportunity to participate in Competitions ("Competitions"). You must be over the age of 13 to participate and no purchase or payment is necessary to participate in such Competitions. The odds of obtaining WGT Credits in Competitions depend on the number of eligible participants in and their relative skill in the Competitions.

    Competitions, where the winner obtains a physical or tangible prize, are open to individuals who are 18 years of age or older or the age of majority in the entrant's state or province/territory of residence, whichever is greater. To participate in a Competition where the winner obtains a physical or tangible prize, you must not be a resident of or be physically located at the time of play (a) the United States who resides in Arizona, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Iowa, Illinois, Louisiana, Maryland, Montana, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, or Vermont, or be subject to the laws of one of those states, (b) Brazil, Argentina, the People's Republic of China, South Korea, Japan, or (c) any other jurisdiction that WGT excludes in its sole discretion. To participate in certain Competitions where the winner obtains a physical or tangible prize, you may be required to submit to WGT documentation to verify your eligibility and to verify your age and/or residency and, if the physical or tangible prizes you have obtained in a given year have a value over $600, a completed W-9 tax form.

    Employees, officers, and directors of WGT and its affiliated entities, parent, subsidiaries, advertising, promotional agencies, legal advisors, their immediate family members and persons living in their same household, are not eligible to enter or participate in Competitions. Void where restricted, taxed or prohibited by law. Individuals that obtain WGT Credits in the Competitions will be determined and announced on or about the fifteenth (15th) calendar day following each monthly Competition and between one (1) and three (3) weeks following each weekly Competition. In the event of a tie, the participant that entered the Competition earlier will obtain the WGT Credits.

     

    So Two different things apparently :   T&C doesn't have the tie breaker rule.....

  • MTBR
    182 Posts
    Sun, Nov 8 2015 6:37 PM

    Skill Gaming: Ready-Go Tournaments, Match Play Challenges, Skins Challenges and Blitz Challenges fall under Skill Gaming.

    RG's would be earliest entry wins in a tie. No tie breaker rule

  • MTBR
    182 Posts
    Sun, Nov 8 2015 6:49 PM

      Also talks about WEEKLY competitions not having the tie breaker rule. I would think that would include MONTHLY competitions. Only earliest entry wins in a tie.

  • MTBR
    182 Posts
    Sun, Nov 8 2015 7:20 PM

    All the tournament rules quote the terms and conditions statement where only the earliest entry in a tie will win. Not one thing about a tie breaker rule as stated in FAQ. So I was correct in thinking this software did not determine winners by that rule. And it seems to be incorrectly determining the winner by the earliest entry rule too. Because I know I was alone at the top because I was excited to learn I was in 1ST place by myself. Unfortunately, my fellow golfer that played on the same exact day of the month (Oct.15th) moved up into 1st place with the same score. So it seems to be working backwards. No worries, just an observation. If you want to win 1st place i suggest you do it early in the week or month. OR do it late in the week or month. IDK.........just beat everybody straight up!

     

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    The software goes by when you register for a tourney NOT when you post a score. So that explains that. Some players will register first and then play later so it wouldn't matter if my score posted first as long as the other player registered first and ties at a later date, then he or she wins.....Strategy!   Only the Bigger tournaments will have the other tie breaker rule that goes by scorecard stated in FAQ...not the smaller weekly and monthly.

  • Jhorn188
    40 Posts
    Mon, Nov 9 2015 1:52 AM

    MTBR:

    All the tournament rules quote the terms and conditions statement where only the earliest entry in a tie will win. Not one thing about a tie breaker rule as stated in FAQ. So I was correct in thinking this software did not determine winners by that rule.

    Not necessarily true. They could still use the rule in the FAQ even though it's not mentioned in the Terms and conditions.

    MTBR:

    And it seems to be incorrectly determining the winner by the earliest entry rule too. Because I know I was alone at the top because I was excited to learn I was in 1ST place by myself. Unfortunately, my fellow golfer that played on the same exact day of the month (Oct.15th) moved up into 1st place with the same score. So it seems to be working backwards. No worries, just an observation. If you want to win 1st place i suggest you do it early in the week or month. OR do it late in the week or month. IDK.........just beat everybody straight up!

    That makes no sense. You think they use the Terms and conditions rule sometimes and your own theory of the reverse of the rule sometimes? And you determined this just because of one single tournament result where you lost even though you posted your score first?

    MTBR:

    edit:  

    The software goes by when you register for a tourney NOT when you post a score. So that explains that. Some players will register first and then play later so it wouldn't matter if my score posted first as long as the other player registered first and ties at a later date, then he or she wins.....Strategy!

    That would be one theory to explain why sometimes the earliest posted score wins and sometimes not.

    I entered and posted a score in the middle of a week (weekly tournament), tying for first with 4 other players. At the end of the week there were 9 players on the same top score. I still won the tournament. If the first one to enter the tournament would win, I would have to have entered before all the other 8 players. I didn't since 4 scores were posted before I entered. The rule in the Terms and conditions was clearly not used.

    Another explanation that would still work for both yours and my example, would be that they actually do use the tiebreaker rule in the FAQ.

    MTBR:

    Only the Bigger tournaments will have the other tie breaker rule that goes by scorecard stated in FAQ...not the smaller weekly and monthly.

    How did you come to this conclusion? Again pure speculation?

     

    I'm not gonna say either or. Maybe someone with actual knowledge could weigh in, and not just build a house of card argument from almost no facts.

  • DodgyPutter
    4,690 Posts
    Mon, Nov 9 2015 3:50 AM

    Brackets I'd think fall under "skill challenges" and there is no doubt in them about which player entered first.  I can absolutely assure you the second entry does sometimes win (bracket 217669 for example) when both players have the same score.

     I didn't see the need for the aggressive attitude in the other thread, he was telling what he (and I as it happens) thought.  Yes, clarity isn't a strong point of wgt's.  Yes, it would have been important if you were right.  I really don't think you are. 

  • MTBR
    182 Posts
    Mon, Nov 9 2015 6:57 AM

    Jhorn188:

    MTBR:

    All the tournament rules quote the terms and conditions statement where only the earliest entry in a tie will win. Not one thing about a tie breaker rule as stated in FAQ. So I was correct in thinking this software did not determine winners by that rule.

    Not necessarily true. They could still use the rule in the FAQ even though it's not mentioned in the Terms and conditions.

    MTBR:

    And it seems to be incorrectly determining the winner by the earliest entry rule too. Because I know I was alone at the top because I was excited to learn I was in 1ST place by myself. Unfortunately, my fellow golfer that played on the same exact day of the month (Oct.15th) moved up into 1st place with the same score. So it seems to be working backwards. No worries, just an observation. If you want to win 1st place i suggest you do it early in the week or month. OR do it late in the week or month. IDK.........just beat everybody straight up!

    That makes no sense. You think they use the Terms and conditions rule sometimes and your own theory of the reverse of the rule sometimes? And you determined this just because of one single tournament result where you lost even though you posted your score first?

    MTBR:

    edit:  

    The software goes by when you register for a tourney NOT when you post a score. So that explains that. Some players will register first and then play later so it wouldn't matter if my score posted first as long as the other player registered first and ties at a later date, then he or she wins.....Strategy!

    That would be one theory to explain why sometimes the earliest posted score wins and sometimes not.

    I entered and posted a score in the middle of a week (weekly tournament), tying for first with 4 other players. At the end of the week there were 9 players on the same top score. I still won the tournament. If the first one to enter the tournament would win, I would have to have entered before all the other 8 players. I didn't since 4 scores were posted before I entered. The rule in the Terms and conditions was clearly not used.

    Another explanation that would still work for both yours and my example, would be that they actually do use the tiebreaker rule in the FAQ.

    MTBR:

    Only the Bigger tournaments will have the other tie breaker rule that goes by scorecard stated in FAQ...not the smaller weekly and monthly.

    How did you come to this conclusion? Again pure speculation?

     

    I'm not gonna say either or. Maybe someone with actual knowledge could weigh in, and not just build a house of card argument from almost no facts.

    Almost no facts? All I did was click on every "Tournament rules" link in all the tournaments for the month and they all went to the T&C statement about "earliest entry wins". The only one that didn't was The Leadbetter Swing challenge and that link went to the FAQ tie breaker rule. There are 2 sets of rules for ties for 1st. FAQ states one rule and T&C states another. All the weekly and monthly tourneys said "Earliest entry wins" , no talk about a tie breaker rule at all as mentioned in the FAQ.  FACTS from research.

  • MTBR
    182 Posts
    Mon, Nov 9 2015 7:14 AM

    "I entered and posted a score in the middle of a week (weekly tournament), tying for first with 4 other players. At the end of the week there were 9 players on the same top score. I still won the tournament. If the first one to enter the tournament would win, I would have to have entered before all the other 8 players. I didn't since 4 scores were posted before I entered. The rule in the Terms and conditions was clearly not used."

    And that my friend, is why I'm wondering if the software is correctly determining the winner because they are not using the tie breaker rule stated in FAQ. It clearly says "Earliest entry wins" in a tie. That tie breaker rule in FAQ is determined manually by scorecard observation.They wouldn't use that rule in a weekly. Why would they? It would be frivolous.

  • MTBR
    182 Posts
    Mon, Nov 9 2015 7:22 AM

    If it's for credits, earliest entry wins in a tie. If it's for some other prize, then they would use the other tie breaker rule.

  • MTBR
    182 Posts
    Mon, Nov 9 2015 7:40 AM

    here is your rules for the weekly       a direct link

     

    rules.aspx?id=0d5ff30fbb074fda9834a547014df6e0

     

    If what you stated earlier about registering late and still winning in a tie is true, then it confirms my suspicions about the software not working properly.

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