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Is the cup getting smaller?

• bearclaw27 553 Posts

  Sat, Apr 2 2011 2:00 AM

  jakestanfill7:

    Some rounds the cup is like a peach basket and others like a thimble.

  I'm gonna reserve comment on this for fear of perpetual banishment from said forums...

  :~p

• piztaker 5,743 Posts

  Sat, Apr 2 2011 2:56 AM

  My old Dad used to say, "Some days it's like a bucket. on others you shout **** it!

• TDHarvey 433 Posts

  Sun, Apr 3 2011 5:04 PM

  gr8flbob:

  MainzMan:

  truckin99:

  you got robbed

  Bloody right there, there must be a bridge over that hole. The first was bad enough as the marker line was almost entirely over the hole but that was dead centre. Gravity took a short holiday there.

   

   

  The game penalized TD for putting from on the green without removing the flag-stick. Tsk tsk!

   

  No, pin was out...i believe wgt shows it in on replays

  lol :) 

• TCR1969 11 Posts

  Sun, Apr 3 2011 6:07 PM

  And what about the other times it is jumping around? I'm paying $$$ to play this game and the game can't play fair or the way it's supposed to. And the recent lip out are ridiculous.

• 6packmike 235 Posts

  Sun, Apr 3 2011 9:49 PM

  Chipping from the back of the green on 10 kiawah after the dreaded fringe bounce I sent a perfect looking chip rolling and taking that drastic break back to the right towards the hole and the ball some how started rolling straight 3 feet from the hole continuing the break after missing left. I thought the overhead view failed to come on and they had to make the shot miss somehow. When I thought about this thread I wish I had saved the shot.

• 6packmike 235 Posts

  Sun, Apr 10 2011 9:28 PM

  Definitely smaller.

  http://www.wgt.com/gameclient.aspx?view=showReplay&JSON={%20%22GUID%22%20:%20%2286140005-c4f4-405b-bd55-9ec101660bc1%22,%20%22Brand%22%20:%20%22undefined%22%20}

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Mon, Apr 11 2011 8:15 AM

  6packmike:

  Definitely smaller.

  Here's 6packmike's lip out in super zoom and super slo-mo:

  

  The action looks fine to me.  The ball lips out because it was moving too fast IMO.

  Looking at frame 3 of the animation where the ball appears to be inside the cup.

  

  What doesn't look OK to me is the relative sizes of the ball and cup.

  A ball is 1.68 inches in diameter and the cup is 4.25 inches.  The cup is 2.53 balls wide.

  I overlaid the width of the ball shown over the cup below.

  

  The cup shown is almost 3 balls wide!  Not two and a half balls wide.

  Assuming the ball width is shown correctly then the hole is shown as too wide.

  If we assume the cup width is shown correctly, then it follows the ball width is shown as too small.

  Either way, I think it optically makes us think, more often than we should perhaps, that the ball should have fallen in the cup.  Kinda, sorta, like an optical illusion.

  All that being said, what is really important is not what is shown but what is calculated in the physics engine.  Nothing here makes me believe the width of the cup and ball are not correct in the calculations.

  It could be that back when the program was in its infancy the cup and ball width ratio was shown correctly.  And possibly someone thought, "that doesn't look right to me, the ball seems to big, change the scale on the ball and make it look a little smaller."

   

• AtlantaCoaster 645 Posts

  Mon, Apr 11 2011 8:54 AM

  MY OBSERVATION on this:

  Theory:  Sometime in early March - with one of the WGT Updates - A number of putts that USED TO "Lip Out" were "reprogrammed" to INSTEAD roll past (but just barely) - with NO lip out.

  In playing this game during the March and Early April timeframe, the number of LIPOUTS seemed to decrease dramtically (NOTE: they have not disappeared!).  At the same time that the LIPOUTs decreased, the number of "barely missed" putts that roll by without touching the cup INCREASED.  (SEEMS MUCH MORE LIFE-LIKE, incidentally).

  A number of other features also changed related to ball movements on the green - someone has mentioned "LIP-INs" as well as the ability for a ball to roll completely around the rim and fall in the cup.  Other more subtle (too difficult to describe) movements related to how the ball falls in the cup have also appeared in this timeframe.

  OFF THE GREEN - I am sure we have all noticed that "IN THE WEEDS" does not ALWAYS mean "Lost Ball" anymore....along with a welcome ability to bounce in some of the heavier rough and weeds instead of stopping dead and buried.  AN EXAMPLE - Bethpage # 6 on the Drive - cut the LEFT corner of the dogleg "too much" on the drive and land in the weeds and crud far left past the trap - and suddenly the ball will carom unexpectedly and give you an end result that is ridiculous (and welcome!) with a FAIRWAY lie less than 60 yards to the cup.  DON'T RELY ON THIS, though - the ball is sometimes just as likely to stop dead in the crud with 50 60 OR HEAVIER.  :-)

  PLAY ON - AtlantaCoaster

• TDHarvey 433 Posts

  Mon, Apr 11 2011 9:17 AM

  AC the left rough at six on BP has always had that carom/skid effect. Thanks for the other observations and points though, Ive given up on getting any "better" at this game and realized ive maxed out my potential. i dont play enough anymore and the game play is fine, just have to accept the results and enjoy it as a game.

• AvatarLee 1,644 Posts

  Mon, Apr 11 2011 10:56 AM

  andyson:

   

  

  Back and to the left......... Back.... and to the left...

  ;^)