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The New GS Wind/Putting Calculator

• MainzMan 9,591 Posts

  Wed, Sep 21 2016 10:40 AM

  Solarflares:

  No.   This is Theoretical Physics , and we adapt to the program which represents a simulation of dimpled-ball trajectory - mapped-over a pseudo 3-dimensional model.

  Very true.  Sadly.  But inevitable I suppose, given that we're playing on computers.

  I'm just an old school WGTer, feel and experience, not numbers.  The newer and successful generation has changed the game in this respect which is impressive in itself but leaves me rather cold.  I've played a few people who take ages over shots, presumably working out exactly how much power to use and how many yards to allow for the wind.  I'm more of a grip it 'n' rip it player.

  Golfers vs gamers, but we can coexist.

• 11BC2 555 Posts

  Wed, Sep 21 2016 10:48 AM

  Swede56:

  Noticed that WGT introduced a new kind of competition...I think..never seen it b4.... It is a full round at Merion..15 sec is the time you have to plan and execute your stroke.......... I checked the leaderboard and wasn't surprised to see that the players at the top did between 58 and 62!!!!!

  I won't  ask you or myself how it's possible, but i can ashore you , they dont use calculaters

  or other technical solutions, because there is no time for that..

  A calculator actually makes this much FASTER.  I just played this tournament and shot -9 on the front 9.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgms-nDkf9g

  B9 was a bit unfortunate and got the glitched ball in bunker that won't advance for a nice Quadrouple bogey.  I also ran out of time on my final putt trying to save par.  Coulda, woulda, shoulda got a 55 or 56 but...........

   

• GitUsummaDis 468 Posts

  Wed, Sep 21 2016 5:49 PM

  I don't understand the VGG. It only gave me a scale. Maybe the pro version does more.

  I use this this >

  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ASGLMZNpN_Uir3zUicKuvUzMc9IoYt9QR8xuJlfy-_g/edit?usp=sharing

  > for a Wind/Distance calculator but not the putting. I have my own mapped out putting values that I just use a hand calculator for.

• TopShelf2010 10,901 Posts

  Thu, Sep 22 2016 12:39 AM

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• PRStevenson 842 Posts

  Fri, Sep 23 2016 6:21 AM

  MainzMan:

  Solarflares:

  No.   This is Theoretical Physics , and we adapt to the program which represents a simulation of dimpled-ball trajectory - mapped-over a pseudo 3-dimensional model.

  Very true.  Sadly.  But inevitable I suppose, given that we're playing on computers.

  I'm just an old school WGTer, feel and experience, not numbers.  The newer and successful generation has changed the game in this respect which is impressive in itself but leaves me rather cold.  I've played a few people who take ages over shots, presumably working out exactly how much power to use and how many yards to allow for the wind.  I'm more of a grip it 'n' rip it player.

  Golfers vs gamers, but we can coexist.

  
  
  I'm with you MainzMan. It's not some romantic ideal as Solar suggests. Some people are just not so fixated with working off a sheet that tells them what they must do in order to try and win. Data entry clerks sums it up well. I prefer to get on, use my brain and play the game. That said, I can understand the appeal for some players when playing for credits. In a way it's the same appeal that draws hackers and cheats to do what they do....only this is legitimate.
  
  It's not a generational thing as I'm a young player. It's more about values and principles. If it were a sliding scale it might look like this.
  
  Enjoyment ------[]--------------------------------------- Winning
  
  Sure it's a program which represents a simulation of dimpled-ball trajectory - mapped-over a pseudo 3-dimensional model but it's also a game and I don't want to let enjoyment take a back seat in favour of a calcuator...at that stage I would think what's the point.
  
  It's probably also worth noting that for all the calulations one might do, there is little evidence to suggest that someone who uses a calculation program performs any better than an experienced player that has made the mental calculations.

   

• jessek12 102 Posts

  Fri, Sep 23 2016 8:44 AM

  This is the viewpoint that I absolutely hate. To act as though not using some sort of calculation is some sort of romantic ideal and it makes you a morally better person than someone that does.

  Some people get tremendous enjoyment from designing calculators, and this might shock you to learn, but a lot of how you get a good calculator is by understanding how the game plays through observation, trial & error, and feel!

  I myself have a shot and putt calculator I use, that I developed through a combination of help from other users here on the forum and my own trial & error playing the game. I don't think anyone can come up with a useful calculator without understanding how the game works. Though I have no sympathy for those that use a full 90 seconds to calculate each shot (the same way I can't stand the Tiger/Rory wannabe taking 6 practice swings, throwing grass to check the wind, and staring at the target for 30 seconds on a shot in actual golf).

  And I certainly hope that PRStevenson wasn't suggesting that hackers/cheaters and people that use calculators when they play are at all the same.....

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Fri, Sep 23 2016 3:27 PM

  WOW, all those tables, spreadsheets, calculators are going a bitt to much in depth to the game when calculating shots can be a lot more simpler.  Its a computer program so a lot is basic math and with using "feel" and hole knwowladge it makes life quit simpler.  Personally ever sincwe i worked my wind and spin yardage graph i stick to it like glue and it has served me well.

  Simple method i use if i'm using full spin i will subtract roughly 4 to 5 yards on shot immediatley.  So if using 180 iron then full spin is 175. If i use NO SPIN then same club will be roughly 188 yards (by using Nike balls ansd hole dependant)  i can manipulate the spin to get anything between 175 and 188 yards so i roughly know a few mm above full spin will give me 180 yards. 

  Wind effects clubs differently depending on distance so wedges could be between 3 and 5 yards + or - ranging from 60 yard wedge to 120 yd wedge.  my 130 yard iron 5 yards, 150 and 160 yard iron 6 yards, 180 yard iron 7 yards, 195 iron 9/10 yards whilst 210 and 225 is 10 & 11 yards.

  This basic guide gets me very close to pin most of the time and has been implanted in my mind so that im able to play the 10 second timer tournament and score not to badly LOL.  Once your rough guide is in place you know when to add or subtract yardages on different holes becasue no two distances to pin are the same on every hole because a 100 yarder on one hole might effect club differently on same yardage, same wind on the next (excluding elevation)  ELEVATION:- 1 yard for every 3 feet upslope, while 1 yard subtracted for every 4 feet downslope......................NICE & SIMPLE

  

• GitUsummaDis 468 Posts

  Fri, Sep 23 2016 3:46 PM

  Solarflares:

  PRStevenson:

  It's probably also worth noting that for all the calulations one might do, there is little evidence to suggest that someone who uses a calculation program performs any better than an experienced player that has made the mental calculations.

  Yes , a good-player can now take a shot-calc and be definitely more pin-point accurate - but a lot of learning and course-knowledge goes into making a good shot a great one.

  Probably the best statement I've seen so far Solar. I confess I use a calculated spreadsheet for Wind/Distance/Elevation. Partly I do this because of mental disorder that I have that prohibits me somewhat from doing all that math in my head. And I can assure you that I'm not the only one here that has limitations like me. I "will" in time learn and adapt to the point I can do this at will so for now I use that calculator and my club/putt/buried ball mappings. I applaud those, especially Legends on up, that can play without the use of such calculators.