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• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Wed, Oct 6 2010 1:49 PM

  CharlemagneRH:

  and I missed by 1 pixel (about .5 mm) to the left of the ding, which should've still launched the ball to the right of center.

  Missing early in that wind will never go right.

• SteveOx 699 Posts

  Wed, Oct 6 2010 2:04 PM

  Check my page,  Some pretty nice ones.

• CharlemagneRH 1,054 Posts

  Wed, Oct 6 2010 4:27 PM

  YankeeJim:

  CharlemagneRH:

  and I missed by 1 pixel (about .5 mm) to the left of the ding, which should've still launched the ball to the right of center.

  Missing early in that wind will never go right.

  Although misses away from the wind will be slightly worse than misses into the wind, something this extreme is VEM or simply an extreme deviation.  Below is an example of the same thing, this time missed one pixel into the wind, and the ball decided to miss the target by 20 yards into the wind.

  CharlemagneRH:

  3W aimed ~4 yards left of pin to offset 18 NE wind, missed one pixel to the left of the ding.

  http://www.wgt.com/replay.aspx?ID=8d201527-a6f2-4662-8bdd-9df4006b437c

  Where does it go? About 30 yards to the left!

• BOFFMEN 337 Posts

  Wed, Oct 6 2010 5:47 PM

   

    

  CharlemagneRH:

  3W aimed ~4 yards left of pin to offset 18 NE wind, missed one pixel to the left of the ding.

  http://www.wgt.com/replay.aspx?ID=8d201527-a6f2-4662-8bdd-9df4006b437c

  Where does it go? About 30 yards to the left!

  Sorry Charle...that isn't VEM...your just another in a long list a players that judge the wind by their position from the Avatar angle...dogleg holes will always mess up the players that think as you did...that's all I'm going to say however.

  Your ball landed almost exactly in the right spot.

• CharlemagneRH 1,054 Posts

  Wed, Oct 6 2010 6:45 PM

  BOFFMEN:

  Sorry Charle...that isn't VEM...your just another in a long list a players that judge the wind by their position from the Avatar angle...dogleg holes will always mess up the players that think as you did...that's all I'm going to say however.

  Your ball landed almost exactly in the right spot.

  The wind direction is calculated off the camera's angle, not the angle of the wind from the tee box to the pin.  It's very easy to prove this: move your camera to the reverse view, and watch the wind direction change.  Similarly, you can hit past the hole or to the side of the hole and watch the wind direction change in a similar manner.

  In this case, the camera is actually pointed slightly to the right of the pin, which means in order to be square with the pin, you'd have to turn it slightly to the left, which would make the wind cut ever so slightly more to the right.

  Seeing as how the wind would be at roughly 26-30 degrees to the right of vertical if you were to make that adjustment, that means the wind, from left to right, is roughly 8-9.

  Even if one were to assume this was wrong (which it isn't) and to say that the wind is actually going straight at the pin, I did not aim anywhere near that far left.  I aimed, from the initial launch angle, about one-fourth that far to the left, and from the ball's final resting spot, about one-third that far to the left.

• gBayemporium 16 Posts

  Wed, Oct 6 2010 7:15 PM

  Maybe you guys could take your loser/geek discussions to a different forum. I though this was for Best Replays, not "people" that expect a freaking game to be perfect.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Thu, Oct 7 2010 6:34 AM

  CharlemagneRH:

  The wind direction is calculated off the camera's angle, not the angle of the wind from the tee box to the pin.  It's very easy to prove this: move your camera to the reverse view, and watch the wind direction change. 

  This is not true. The wind changes in the reverse view to one of 180 degrees opposite and comes from the tee box. A good post with pictures explaining it here.

  From AvatarLee in that article....

  "To sum it up... Note the wind on the tee with respect to the overall map... this is the 'truest' it will be throughout the entire whole.  When you play your next shot, it is likely that your view to the green will not be as straight as when you teed off, thus making the wind 'appear' to have changed direction.  I think Andy is saying that you should trust the wind direction you noted when you teed off... note that the overall map never rotates for the duration of the hole."

• iconian 599 Posts

  Thu, Oct 7 2010 6:41 AM

  gBayemporium:

  Maybe you guys could take your loser/geek discussions to a different forum. I though this was for Best Replays, not "people" that expect a freaking game to be perfect.

   

  Agreed. Thanks for ruining another thread with your useless, pointless, not-worthy-of-another-look replays.

• CharlemagneRH 1,054 Posts

  Thu, Oct 7 2010 11:07 AM

  YankeeJim:

  CharlemagneRH:

  The wind direction is calculated off the camera's angle, not the angle of the wind from the tee box to the pin.  It's very easy to prove this: move your camera to the reverse view, and watch the wind direction change. 

  This is not true. The wind changes in the reverse view to one of 180 degrees opposite and comes from the tee box. A good post with pictures explaining it here.

  From AvatarLee in that article....

  "To sum it up... Note the wind on the tee with respect to the overall map... this is the 'truest' it will be throughout the entire whole.  When you play your next shot, it is likely that your view to the green will not be as straight as when you teed off, thus making the wind 'appear' to have changed direction.  I think Andy is saying that you should trust the wind direction you noted when you teed off... note that the overall map never rotates for the duration of the hole."

  That thread is incoherent.

  Your assertions make sense, but they are easily proven wrong.

  Tee shot

  

   

  Third shot

  

   

  Third shot (reverse view)

  

   

  Off the tee, the camera is facing 12:15, and from there, the wind is at roughly 11:30 (45 minutes left of 12:15.)

  I intentionally hit my second shot slightly to the left, which put the camera at a different angle, pointing at about 1:00, which is 00:45 to the right of the tee view.  The wind adjusts to this rotation in the camera and is now at roughly 10:45.  This 00:45 rotation to the right would make the wind move to the left, and we get the following: 11:30 - 00:45 = 10:45.

  The reverse view, facing about 5:30, which is neither 180 off of the tee camera angle nor the third-shot camera angle, shows wind that is not 180 degrees off of either previous camera's wind direction, which were 11:30 and 10:45 (180 off of those being 5:30 and 4:45 respectively.)  Instead, it is at 6:00.  From the tee view, the reverse camera's angle is a 5:15 rotation to the right, which means we should be able subtract 5:15 from the tee's 11:30 wind and get the wind from this 5:30 camera.  11:30 - 5:15 = 6:15.  Close enough.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Thu, Oct 7 2010 11:46 AM

  The wind never changes from the tee to the pin. The overview shows that. You're trying to factor random camera views into the mix. The wind is always 2mph going in the same direction. 

  What I hear you saying, correct me if I'm wrong, is that shot calculations in the game (VEM, beast, deviation, whatever) aren't made until the shot comes to rest and the view is factored in.  No?