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Sun, Sep 24 2017 4:01 PM (28 replies)
  • Miantiao
    401 Posts
    Fri, Sep 22 2017 9:31 AM

    mkrizan86:

    Miantiao:

    Wow, just perused the stats of a lvl 28 Amateur, and was very impressed.

    14 ranked rounds, 90 odd birdies, 90 odd pars, 3 eagles and 18 bogies.

    Putting stats a drool-worthy: 5-10 ft @22+%, 10-25 ft @12+%.

    This player came to my attention in an RG tourny with heavy conditions. He handed in a card similar to many skilled and experienced players.

    Club selection is indicative with someone who has played the game before at higher lvls. Driver, irons, and WGT ball, but house putter and wedges.

    I would hope that double account players are found out at an early stage, so as to avoid them stealing winnings off of honest players.

    Agreed. But the putting stats show only that his distance from the pin is not that great and that 12% of his total made putts were from 10-25 feet. We have no idea how many he missed. They could've been from 10,01, he could've been playing unlimited tourneys, etc. But yes, surely not his first dance.

     

    I would have thought percentage of putts made are calculated for putts made from each distance category.

    So, making near on 13% of putts from between 10.5 ft - 25.5 ft is pretty farkin impressive, not to mention making 22% of putts from between 5.5 ft and 10.5 ft.

    Perhaps WGT could enlighten us how the percentage of putts made is calculated, whether as a percentage of total putts made or a percentage of putts made for each distance category.

  • DodgyPutter
    4,690 Posts
    Sat, Sep 23 2017 2:20 PM

    Miantiao:
    I would have thought percentage of putts made are calculated for putts made from each distance category.

    No they are not, have you only made 45% of the putts you've had from 0-5ft or less than 1 in six of your putts between 5ft and 10ft? I think it's the percentage of the total number of putts taken, holed from each distance (I don't feel that's well put but can't think how to clarify, maybe look at page 2 of this thread). 

    Miantiao:
    So, making near on 13% of putts from between 10.5 ft - 25.5 ft is pretty farkin impressive, not to mention making 22% of putts from between 5.5 ft and 10.5 ft.

    What we know, and I'm copying from page 2 post now, is he had 288 putts and holed 205 of them.  Of the 205; 102 were from 0-5ft, 66 from 5-10ft, 35 from 10ft-25ft and two from 25ft+ .

    What we don't know is what distance the 73 missed putts were from. 

    Making 22% of his putts from 5ft-10ft would not be that impressive and it's certain he made a much higher percentage than that.  

    He made 66 from there and missed 73 in total, so even if all his missed putts were in that range he still made 47% of his putts attempted within it.  As an average distance to the pin of 14ft tells us they were not all in that range then it seems safe to assume he made something well over 50% of these putts.

    A similar story with his 10ft-25ft putts.  If all the missed putts were from there he still made (35 out of 108) 32.4% of them.

    It may be that I'm making some fundamental error here, I'm sure if I am it will be pointed out :-)

  • joemt825
    124 Posts
    Sat, Sep 23 2017 6:50 PM

    Came across a level 109 tour master the other day.  Playing seven years... some guys have no shame.  Not worth even getting mad about.  Just play and try to take the high road. 

     

  • TristanFraker
    217 Posts
    Sat, Sep 23 2017 10:02 PM

    joemt825:

    Came across a level 109 tour master the other day.  Playing seven years... some guys have no shame.  Not worth even getting mad about.  Just play and try to take the high road. 

     

    Agreed. Many sandbaggers out there. Create a couple of blitz games and you're likely to spot one (or more). I've had hacks join in and match me shot for shot.

    WGT could make better golf clubs available only to people who make a certain level AND a certain tier. Everything is now available at hack tier, I believe. Even though that might even out the playing field even a small bit, I'll assume it would affect sales and therefore never happen.

    (Lifts glass) Here's to the high road.

     

  • ct690911
    7,205 Posts
    Sun, Sep 24 2017 6:19 AM

    joemt825:

    Came across a level 109 tour master the other day.  Playing seven years... some guys have no shame.  Not worth even getting mad about.  Just play and try to take the high road. 

    He may play a lot of Alt and MP. These formats raise your level, but are not considered "ranked rounds". I am a level 110 legend and all I play is Alt and match. No shame in it...just what I enjoy. I play only for fun and friendship.

    ct

  • derjohvan
    1,168 Posts
    Sun, Sep 24 2017 7:09 AM

      Have to remember, many here just play alt shots or match plays, so their level and rank may not show how good they are.

     

  • Miantiao
    401 Posts
    Sun, Sep 24 2017 9:10 AM

    DodgyPutter:

    Miantiao:
    I would have thought percentage of putts made are calculated for putts made from each distance category.

    No they are not, have you only made 45% of the putts you've had from 0-5ft or less than 1 in six of your putts between 5ft and 10ft? I think it's the percentage of the total number of putts taken, holed from each distance (I don't feel that's well put but can't think how to clarify, maybe look at page 2 of this thread). 

    Miantiao:
    So, making near on 13% of putts from between 10.5 ft - 25.5 ft is pretty farkin impressive, not to mention making 22% of putts from between 5.5 ft and 10.5 ft.

    What we know, and I'm copying from page 2 post now, is he had 288 putts and holed 205 of them.  Of the 205; 102 were from 0-5ft, 66 from 5-10ft, 35 from 10ft-25ft and two from 25ft+ .

    What we don't know is what distance the 73 missed putts were from. 

    Making 22% of his putts from 5ft-10ft would not be that impressive and it's certain he made a much higher percentage than that.  

    He made 66 from there and missed 73 in total, so even if all his missed putts were in that range he still made 47% of his putts attempted within it.  As an average distance to the pin of 14ft tells us they were not all in that range then it seems safe to assume he made something well over 50% of these putts.

    A similar story with his 10ft-25ft putts.  If all the missed putts were from there he still made (35 out of 108) 32.4% of them.

    It may be that I'm making some fundamental error here, I'm sure if I am it will be pointed out :-)

    Looks like you're right regards how putting percentages are calculated.

    Kind of makes my 45% of total made putts @ between 0-5 ft look ordinary, but it reflects my inability at times to control the yips on slick and curly 4.5ft downhill putts. Get lazy sometimes to check with chip view at that distance and pay the penalty :-D

     

  • DodgyPutter
    4,690 Posts
    Sun, Sep 24 2017 2:46 PM

    Miantiao:

    Looks like you're right regards how putting percentages are calculated.

    Kind of makes my 45% of total made putts @ between 0-5 ft look ordinary, but it reflects my inability at times to control the yips on slick and curly 4.5ft downhill putts. Get lazy sometimes to check with chip view at that distance and pay the penalty :-D

    Lol, your putting looks fine to me.  

    I still don't think I'm being clear so I'll have a go with your stats but remember this will be rough, I could see all the multi's rounds so it was a lot easier to do quickly.

    You have played 3,504 RR, taken 53,210 putts @ 1.4 putts per hole.  

    That's 37, 981 holes or 4,220 x Nine holes.  Something like 697 x 18 and 2,807 nine hole rounds.

    Of the 53,210 putts you have holed:

    0-5ft    = 23, 949

    5-10ft   =  8,689

    10-25ft = 4,629

    25-50ft  =   303

    50ft+     =      11

    Total    = 37,581 (70.63%)

    Missed = 15,629  There is no indication in the stats of what distance these putts were from.

    So you've holed 70.63% of your putts from anywhere, it will certainly be higher that that for 0-5ft.  Again as you've holed 23,949 from there and missed 15,629 in total means that even if every missed putt was from between 5 and 10 feet you'd still have holed 60.51% and clearly they weren't.

    The 45.01% putts from 0-5ft probably reflects good approaches, it certainly doesn't show poor putting.

    A shorter way of showing your putting percentage would be to simply use the 1.40pph, which gives you an overall  success rate of 71.4%.  I just wanted to put numbers by each distance and show again the %'s given there are of the total putts not just the successful ones.

    The differences that show (70.63% against 71.40% success rate and 37,981 holes against 37,581 successful putts) are hopefully down to me doing this roughly in general and your holed approaches (which I've ignored) in particular.  The fact your number of putts changed from 53,199 to 53,210 during me writing it didn't help either :-)

     

  • joemt825
    124 Posts
    Sun, Sep 24 2017 4:01 PM

    Meant he has no shame because he is staying on the TM tees with top of the line equipment.  My gf not the greatest and she made legend in about 3 years.  If your playing from the back tees, all accusations of sandbagging are ridiculous, but I know people will disagree because of tier rg's and tournaments. 

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