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Thu, Jun 21 2018 3:38 PM (11 replies)
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  • gonfission
    2,241 Posts
    Wed, Jun 6 2018 8:17 AM

    74 years ago today, the unimaginable began. Many nations with one combined goal, stood steadfast against tyranny.

    Mourned are the brave that knew going in, their chances of coming home, were not favorable. They went in defiance of the odds.

    Acts of the brave are often herald as heroic. Courage comes from determination to conquer your fear first. Then the enemy.

    To try to say I can imagine D - Day because of an earlier choice in my life is ludicrous, at the very least. My experiences paled in comparison, to the carnage nations suffered in just one day.

    Take a moment from your day, and silently thank the collective of courageous souls, that spat in the face of overwhelming odds, to free nations under control of mad men.

    Dec 7th may be a day that lives on in infamy, however, that day never would have arrived in the form of freedom, after the attack, if it were not for the actions of the courageous, 74 years ago, that landed on the shores of France.

    No matter how bad a day I have, I always remember June 6th, 1944.

    The day the OCEAN turned red...

    Secretary of State Dean Rusk, was in France in the early 60's when French President DeGaule decided to pull out of NATO. DeGaule said he wanted all US military out of France as soon as possible.

    Rusk responded, "Does that include those who are buried here?"

    DeGuale did not respond.

    You could have heard a pin drop.


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    When in England, at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of 'empire building' by George Bush.

    He answered by saying, "Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return."

    You could have heard a pin drop.

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    There was a conference in France where a number of international engineers were taking part, including French and American. During a break, one of the French engineers came back into the room saying, "Have you heard the latest dumb stunt Bush has done? He has sent an aircraft carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami victims. What does he intend to do, bomb them?"

    A Boeing engineer stood up and replied quietly: "Our carriers have three hospitals on board that can treat several hundred people; they are nuclear powered and can supply emergency electrical power to shore facilities; they have three cafeterias with the capacity to feed 3,000 people three meals a day, they can produce several thousand gallons of fresh water from sea water each day, and they carry half a dozen helicopters for use in transporting victims and injured to and from their flight deck. We have eleven such ships; how many does France have?"

    You could have heard a pin drop.

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    A U.S. Navy Admiral was attending a naval conference that included Admirals from the U.S. , English, Canadian, Australian and French Navies. At a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a large group of officers that included personnel from most of those countries.
    Everyone was chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks but a French admiral suddenly complained that, whereas Europeans learn many languages, Americans learn only English. He then asked, "Why is it that we always have to speak English in these conferences rather than speaking French?"

    Without hesitating, the American Admiral replied, "Maybe it's because the Brit's, Canadians, Aussie's and Americans arranged it so you wouldn't have to speak German."

    You could have heard a pin drop.

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    Robert Whiting, an elderly gentleman of 83, arrived in Paris by plane. At French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry on.

    "You have been to France before, monsieur?" the customs officer asked sarcastically.

    Mr. Whiting admitted that he had been to France previously.

    "Then you should know enough to have your passport ready."

    The American said, "The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it."

    "Impossible. Americans always have to show their passports on arrival in France !"

    The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he quietly explained, ''Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-Day in 1944 to help liberate this country, I couldn't find a single Frenchmen to show a passport to."

    You could have heard a pin drop.

    Blessed are we that remember and honor their sacrifices.

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  • Luciano18
    317 Posts
    Wed, Jun 6 2018 9:17 PM

    Great Post Sir

    gonfission:
    Blessed are we that remember and honor their sacrifices.

     

    Remember

    L F

  • alcaucin
    9,041 Posts
    Wed, Jun 6 2018 10:29 PM

    We fight because....

    WE are vengeful / prideful / egotistical / nationalistic / irreverent / shallow / rapacious / esoterically challenged / insidious / carbon based life forms...

    That will be but a nanosecond in Planetary time..if anyone was left to care after we are all gone !!

    After that ^^ being said....

    Without those heroes above........the World would be a great deal worse now.

    imho

     

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Wed, Jun 6 2018 11:50 PM

    Enough about you lot, let's talk about ME:)

    Seriously - me raising a glass in the Cat and Custard Pot

     

     

    Few long years later the nations would have been in that pub for perhaps their last toast on free soil.  Friend now runs this one, but 5 years ago  managed this pub  (time of pic and I remember a bitterly cold day walking) - Turn left out of it and follow a short public right of way since at least Anglo Saxon times and you are standing at the white cliffs, and can see Calais on a clear day. 

    Look down to where war tunnels were used and think about Dunkirk and what it must have been like to see every small boat going bringing back as much of the army as possible.

    The sky would have been swarming with those planes a month after that keeping that patch of green earth free.  Not needed so much for D-Day even if thankfully some thought it would........

    French helped out much during the war away from the vichy.

     

  • craigswan
    31,549 Posts
    Thu, Jun 7 2018 12:17 AM

    My old dad served the whole 6 years in ww2 and came home unharmed .

    lucky man .

    He did dunkirk , monte casino and a few more .

    Hell , they even gave him a medal . for distinguished conduct . second only to a Victoria cross .

    I still have it up my attic . I should get it mounted and hung on a wall but never do .

    Anyway had it valued at £3000 .

    They want £500 to research it . £600 commission and £60 tax leaving me £1840 .

    Think I will just leave it up my attic .

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Thu, Jun 7 2018 8:24 AM

    Off topic a bit but I do think it always wise to remember also remember that many German people were not ***.  The RAF bombed Hamburg and that was a centre of Nazi discontent.  War is horrible and the RAF acted under orders and no one is to blame, but it's also OK to say it involved suffering that in future could be avoided.  Understood since ancient Greece that what seems unimaginable at the start becomes fine after time in war.

    Without politicising (hopefully) it's also long since time for Europeans to stop being sorry for what was allowed and move forward with values that allowed the western world.

     

  • Ladychipper
    22,991 Posts
    Thu, Jun 7 2018 9:10 AM

    I thank all the armed forces for their service.  They sacrifice a lot and I am grateful to them.

     

  • Fencer100
    2,064 Posts
    Wed, Jun 20 2018 12:36 PM

    I served 22 yrs in the Royal Marines. Did I fight, damn right I did !

    When you are a young man having to fight up a mountain in the Falklands and someone pops up and takes a shot at you, you fight like a dog cos if you don't you will land up dead !

    Am I proud of what I did, yes I am ! I faced it and won out. I fought for my mates around me and for the Corps.

    I saw plenty of action after that and none of it is pretty. War is not the glamorous thing alot imagine it to be. It is dirty, bloody and brutal, but I wouldn't change a thing that I did, someone has to do it and that is what I chose to do.

    We were an elite unit and a very proud unit who never ever took a backward step and faced whatever was in front of us with professionalism and just got on with the job. 

  • Tigerpaw509
    1,285 Posts
    Wed, Jun 20 2018 3:59 PM

    Why do the French have suntan armpits ? Asking for a friend

     

  • Mcduff61
    1,753 Posts
    Wed, Jun 20 2018 4:20 PM
    thanks to those that serve or served..
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