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Thu, Jul 21 2011 6:52 AM (27 replies)
  • chrisironsbones
    3,524 Posts
    Tue, Jul 19 2011 9:36 AM

    To be honest i think 65% of the players have to put up with un natural amount of deviation and wind that is set up to be un able to score well, while the other 35% of players get favourable wind directions, and NO DEVIATION..

    On the short holes i got strong headwinds, on narrow fairways i got strong sidewinds, and on easy putts for birdies ball would swerve:Green was FLAT here .  On 12, i had easy 10 foot putt for birdie, i hit it with 7 foot power, see what happened, it shouldn't go 25 FEET!!!

     

    My irons seemed not to gain extra yardages that they usually do from callaways,  and when i'd aim for some winds, ball would go straight for rough getting no effect at all from the strong sidewind.

    I aimed left edge of green here, knowing the camera angles of this hole are messed up, but ball went right: see what i mean.  Although i had aimed off the green to the left, shot didn't seem to start from my actual aim point but from the pin.

    The best was on 18, i had headwind, aimed slightly right of pin, ball went LEFT to left side of fringe, as if shot was pre-determined.  All round i was using flop shot for 13 yard approaches, but i was always 2 yards past hole with my aim point, whatever the wind. On this hole i gave a touch more than usual, but ball only travelled 8 yards hit the slope and rolled back, change of tactic, i used 16 yard chip shot for 11 feet knowing it would go up hill easily, this only went 7 feet and rolled back down. My putt was 2 feet upslope, adding the up slope to distance it came up as 35, i gave it 35 foot of power  but still it rolled up and rolled back down.  I was now going mad LOL, so i just tried exactly the same flop shot as the one i started with in fustration, what do you know, 1 yard other side of hole.  

    Where i landed originaly on approach got me scratching my head why i had landed there in first place. With actual wind position i shouldn't have been near that spot, its like it was put  in  my game on purpose for a bit of a laugh lol and to see how i'd cope, exactly what happened to Biorn when he was leading the real open last time it was held at R.S.G

    Triple bogey on 18 RUINED my round, and my sanity LOL.....Hole 1 i got a meter skip first shot to put me in 60% bush.  Bogey first hole., after getting 3 bogeys due to strange "deviation" shots, i managed to get to -2 untill 18 .....I feel i was robbed of my -5 due to very strange shots, aiming into rough to compensate wind on drives then 30 mph wind not effecting shots and ball flying straight for 60% bush, 27 tailwind on par 3, i use 205 yard iron, it goes 210 yards and left into rough. 80 yard wedge with 27 mph sidewind, travells 67 yards with full power?

    With the strong wind conditions why do we have to have "deviation" shots on top of everything else (can anyone explain how the 7 foot of power i gave putt shown above in replay can travel 25 feet?)  I feel next round i owe this course a good score to compensate the slap in the face i got from it (& WGT) in a tournament i've been looking forward to for weeks, and scoring -8 in my practice round on front 9 before the open LOL).  This was like the REAL open.  good luck everyone, you'll need it!!!!

  • tiffer67
    1,764 Posts
    Tue, Jul 19 2011 10:18 AM

    chrisironsbones:

    To be honest i think 65% of the players have to put up with un natural amount of deviation and wind that is set up to be un able to score well, while the other 35% of players get favourable wind directions, and NO DEVIATION..

    If that is indeed the case Chris, why are 56 players (65% of 84 competitors above you) dealing with it better than you seem to be?

    If you seriously believe that the root source of all your woes is deviation, VEM, the meter etc, then I think you have lost your sanity as you say yourself.

    I have bad rounds due to meter problems, VEM, deviations. I have bad rounds without them. The one constant irrespective of whether I get them or not, is me!

    Blaming your bad rounds continually on these factors is starting to make you look more than a bit silly. It's becoming all consuming and not doing you any favours. Maybe, just maybe, you have something to do with the problem yourself?

    ps I'm not trying to be confrontational here. I actually think you could do yourself a lot of good finding a way to cope with these issues when they happen.

     

  • chrisironsbones
    3,524 Posts
    Tue, Jul 19 2011 10:55 AM

    tiffer67:
    ps I'm not trying to be confrontational here. I actually think you could do yourself a lot of good finding a way to cope with these issues when they happen.

    Usually when they happen, i get out of trouble the majority of times, its RARELY i get a bogey in my rounds anymore, its just when the usual solutions to the problems don't work or what you usually do is nothing how it usually acts.  I would be first to admit if i was messing up, but what would usually be a trivial straight forward shot  was WRONG.  129 yards to pin, 25 mph north westerly, the 125 yard pw would easilly reach in any other round, but when it only travels 121 yards, what can you do?  You saw how far my putt travelled with 7 foot of power....25 feet, you'd need a 10 ins downslope for that LOL

    Your right, it was a bad round, but it was out of my control what was happening

    2 identical shots on 18, marked screen to know where i aimed from, one flop shot goes 8 yards, the other 14 yards?? & dinged shots going off course, i wouldn't mind if it was a missed ding, i could understand, 

    But i bet you £10, it wont be the same for round 2, i'll score well.....

    Invite me for a round, and then you will be able to judge yourself, i've just played a challenge round on royal st george to get sanity back LOL, what do you know, birdied 7 holes in front 9.

     

  • tiffer67
    1,764 Posts
    Tue, Jul 19 2011 11:54 AM

    Chris I'm not suggesting you find a solution in the game, I'm suggesting you find a solution for your mind.

    You clearly are a good player, a very good player when everything is going well. The 2 biggest rounds in the WGT tournament calendar are the opening rounds in the US & British Open and they haven't gone well for you. I have no doubt that you really wanted to do well in both of them? Whilst there are factors that you feel unable to control have had a heavy influence, the self imposed pressure you put yourself under will undoubtedly have had an effect also. We all experience it.

    Yesterday I 3 putted from 16 feet on the 2nd for bogey and then failed to get down from the fringe in 2 on the 4th. +2 after 4 holes having hit as good as 4 greens in regulation. It wouldn't normally happen, normally I'd have made 0 bogeys and maybe even birdied a couple of the holes. It was the pressure of wanting to do well that led me to make stupid mistakes and errors in judgement. Once the mistakes were made the pressure eased and I started to settle down and played better the further into the round I went. You should never underestimate the effect pressure has on the mind when you are in an uncomfortable and unfamiliar environment.

    You will in all likelihood score well in round 2, you'll be playing it with nothing to lose. Your judgement on shots will feel easier, you wont question your decisions before you've hit, you wont examine and re-examine the line on your putts etc etc. In effect you'll play the round without thinking and be totally relaxed.

    I don't doubt you had a number of wtf moments during your round but I would seriously doubt that you made the correct judgements on every one of your shots. Your putt, as an example, looks to me like it's been hit way too hard. Is it possible you used the wrong meter?

    Anyways I wish you good fortune in round 2 and hope you don't take anything I've posted too personally. I used to do the very same thing on these forums. I ranted at my own misfortune in the hope somebody would listen and empathise. In reality nobody other than me really gave a toss, lol.....

  • b0geybuster
    2,574 Posts
    Tue, Jul 19 2011 12:11 PM

    chrisironsbones:
    ball would swerve:Green was FLAT here .

    I have duplicated that putt, and I am 100% certain it is not flat.   It moves left to right, as did your ball, and coupled with a 28mph side wind from left to right, if you didn't aim and dinged that is the putt I would expect.

    Cheers,

    b0gey

  • chrisironsbones
    3,524 Posts
    Tue, Jul 19 2011 12:13 PM

    b0geybuster:

    chrisironsbones:
    ball would swerve:Green was FLAT here .

    I have duplicated that putt, and I am 100% certain it is not flat.   It moves left to right, as did your ball, and coupled with a 28mph side wind from left to right, if you didn't aim and dinged that is the putt I would expect.

    Cheers,

    b0gey

    What, does wind effect putts?  If it does its first i've heard of it, (never seems to effect putts on st andy's in heavy wind)but i hope it DOES it would explain a lot of swerves i got which never got factored into my putting....Thanks

     

  • b0geybuster
    2,574 Posts
    Tue, Jul 19 2011 12:14 PM

    chrisironsbones:
    What, does wind effect putts?  If it does its first i've heard of it, but i hope it DOES it would explain a lot of swerves i got which never got factored into my putting....Thanks

    Chris I know that putt moves from left to right regardless of wind!   

    Cheers,

    b0gey

  • chrisironsbones
    3,524 Posts
    Tue, Jul 19 2011 12:18 PM

    b0geybuster:

    chrisironsbones:
    What, does wind effect putts?  If it does its first i've heard of it, but i hope it DOES it would explain a lot of swerves i got which never got factored into my putting....Thanks

    Chris I know that putt moves from left to right regardless of wind!   

    Cheers,

    b0gey

    It may be, but why was it advertised as flat?? thats what got me, if it had showed a break i wouldn't even bother writing this, as i would know whta had happened, it just that it was advertised as no moving dots, so it was strange to see it swerve, but if you say there is a break there, fair enough, i will go check it out myself in time.

     

  • b0geybuster
    2,574 Posts
    Tue, Jul 19 2011 12:20 PM

    It shows moving dots when I duplicated it.   So check front view, reverse view, and from time to time, use a chip to see the grid.  Give you 3 good looks, then you can decided which one to use for the putt.

    Cheers,

    b0gey

  • b0geybuster
    2,574 Posts
    Tue, Jul 19 2011 12:22 PM

    chrisironsbones:
    I aimed left edge of green here, knowing the camera angles of this hole are messed up, but ball went right: see what i mean.  Although i had aimed off the green to the left, shot didn't seem to start from my actual aim point but from the pin

    Did you ding this shot?  I suspect you missed late.

    Cheers,

    b0gey

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