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• racermike 20 Posts

  Thu, Sep 15 2011 10:33 AM

  rixtertrader:

  "but it is there game on there pc so its no ones buss..."

   

  I disagree. If their quitting causes the game to end so that the other players cannot finish, which happened twice to me in the last 2 days when we were just 2-3 holes from finishing, makes it our business.

  If someone wants to quit and it does not affect anyone else's game, than fine.

  As for players averages, if someone quits, why not take the holes played into consideration towards the average? That way, the player can quit if he/she feels that their play is off and doesn't want to make it any worse than they just did, but what the holes they did play are counted.

  But until the system is fixed so that quitting does lock the system up for other players in the game,any kind of quitting should be dealt with.

   

  RIGHT ON RIX!!     But take it another step further. Automatically score to the maximum stroke limit on the unplayed holes. If  W.G.T. would give us a place to report quitters the habitual offenders will stand out. The selection code for this is written similar to a ban so is not hard to do. For those still making excuses for the quitters, perhaps an appeals process of a W.G.T. representative and volunteer members could be put in place.      

• rixtertrader 28 Posts

  Thu, Sep 15 2011 11:38 AM

  BTW, according to the RULES of WGT, it appears that QUITTING does not provide you with any advantage at all.

  Check out what it says quoted here:

  "Your Average Score will be based on ONLY your best scores, so completing a bad round will not negatively impact your Average Score or Tier. So be sure to finish all your rounds and gain the extra experience points, as a bad day won’t matter."

  So it seems to me that players need to be more considerate to other players as it certainly isn't to their advantage to quit the game for whatever reason.

  :-)

• rixtertrader 28 Posts

  Thu, Sep 15 2011 12:08 PM

  The issue is about the AFFECT quitting has on players who do not quit, not whether someone should have the right to quit.

  To be clear, I don't think that players should not have the right to quit. Things happen that sometimes are out of our control, such as visitors dropping by, an important phone call, major need to get to the bathroom, etc.

  Unfortunately, the majority of quitting is due to those who are playing a bad game and either aren't having fun anymore, or are worried about their average.

  The affect that quitting has on the other players are the following:

  1. Remaining players don't get full credit for completing a game with multiple players.

  2. Game locks up for remaining players so that they cannot complete the game.

  3. Players find themselves playing alone, which is not what they wanted to do when they joined or organized a game to begin with.

  #1 and #2 above are the critical factors. We can live with #3.

   

  As a response those who are saying that putting restrictions on quitting is SOCIALISM, I put forth the following reasoning point.

  Is it SOCIALISM to have traffic lights and stop signs on the road and expect people to abide by them by law? Without them, we'd have chaos on the roads. This is regulation that benefits everyone, and in no way is SOCIALISM.

  Quitting affects other players, much like our driving can affect other drivers. The game of Golf is a game of rules. Should Golf have no rules because having rules is SOCIALISM? Seriously?

  Without rules, Golf would not be a fun game to play. The whole idea of the rules of WGT Golf is to make it as close to playing real golf as possible. Well, how many times have you started a real golf game with 1-3 other players and have 1-3 of them quit in the middle of the game? How many times? In the 36 years I've been playing Golf, NEVER has anyone just quit in the middle of the game.

  Therefore, it is not SOCIALISM to expect certain mechanisms be put in place that allows WGT golf to more mimic real life golf, especially if it protects players right to finish their games without someone messing it up for them for reasons as frivolous as simply having a bad game.

  Peace out.  :-)

• maruschak 572 Posts

  Thu, Sep 15 2011 3:03 PM

  I just read a post here from a WGT rep I'm assuming,..he stated that those who DO quit because they wish NOT to post a high score which they believe will influence their avg, tier or what have you are completely WRONG!

  Only best scores are put into the equation!

  Today I played a match with 2 other players,.one was a Master, and the other was a Tour Pro with an avg of I believe 66 or 67..On the last hole, ( #9) the Master was 2 over par,....just before chipping to the green, he chatted that he's was disconnecting because he did not wish to post that "high" score! So in fact,..he was completely wrong, his +2 or better would have NO effect on his "status" in the community!

   

  I believe a huge % of Masters and Legends quit for the same reason,...at least this individual made note of it before hand!!

• MickAnderson 105 Posts

  Thu, Sep 15 2011 5:32 PM

  Let me give my opinion on quitting in stroke play games, and then my best idea to help solve the problem.

  1) It sucks when people quit, because if people are trying to have a group game, then they want to go around in that group.  Maybe have a little friendly competition with each other as well as just trying to post the best round they can.  I know if I want to play a round, I want to go round with a group, which is 3 or 4 players.  Two isn't a group.  So when I'm in a group, and the other player or players quit, leaving just me or just someone else, then I'll probably quit too, because why would I want to play a round that's no longer a group, when that was my whole reason to choose to join a multi-player stroke round.

  Other than that though, when there is no incentive not to quit, there's nothing to stop people from quitting if they're having a bad round.

  So what I think WGT should do is make it so that players who quit multi-player stroke rounds have to finish their round before they can move on a play anything else.  Freeze them into that round. 

  This way wouldn't be contrary to WGT's interests, because the vast majority of players who spend money here have at least a mild addiction to the game (WGT isn't interested in the once-in-a-while players  - they don't spend money), so they're not going to give up playing it just because they have to finish a round (or whatever 9 they're on in 18 hole games).

  Most players who quit after hitting their first bogey or bunker quit because they want to start a new round afresh.  If they know they have to finish this current round before they can do that, chances are they will just do it now and get it over with, especially if they plan to play another game.

  I'm not judging quitters - I've done it myself when I haven't wanted to continue with a horrible round, but I can say for sure that if I would have had to have completed that round before I could play my next game, 99% of the time I'd have played out the multi-player round I was in there and then.

   

   

• Zindacup 847 Posts

  Thu, Sep 15 2011 7:25 PM

  I am totally in favor of this part of the solution.  The second part would be to add a RED number next to the name of the player showing how many times he or she quitted on any type of game.

  I can't understand why one would quit when we are here to have good time while playing a GAME.... it's only a game, and you don't have to tell anyone about your misfortune and shame...lolol

  Thumbs down to quitters

  H.a.n.D.  ( Have a nice Day ) anyway ! 

• eurantia 318 Posts

  Thu, Sep 15 2011 9:26 PM

  Amassing a friends list will eliminate your problem.If you don't want to open yourself to potential quitters then don't sign up for just 'anyone' to play.Alt-play still locks up and generally that is a wgt error,they haven't fixed this error-prone format.Instead of getting miffed at quitters do something about it.That is what that friends list is all about ,I have absolutely no quitting issues with my friends ---the best way to punish chronic  quitters is simply not to have them on your friends list..Instead of complaining about these inconsiderate and aggravating players,take time to construct a list of players that  you can depend on.In the general population of players you have to weed out the useless,instead of whining about the quitters just never golf with 'em again.Damn, there will never be anything done about this so why sweat it,you never have to deal with them again so why complain about it.As far as quitting numbers are concerned people shoulnt be punished  for wgt errors or circumstances and my god there are plenty.Focus on the good players and stop worrying about the slugs .

• Alice18Cooper 91 Posts

  Fri, Sep 16 2011 4:42 PM

  eurantia:

  ,instead of whining about the quitters just never golf with 'em again.Damn, there will never be anything done about this so why sweat it,you never have to deal with them again so why complain about it.As far as quitting numbers are concerned people shoulnt be punished  for wgt errors or circumstances and my god there are plenty.Focus on the good players and stop worrying about the slugs .

  Well said eurantia . . .many players have givin the same advice but peeps just don't listen

  

• rixtertrader 28 Posts

  Fri, Sep 16 2011 4:55 PM

  Unfortunately, we're the ones that ARE listening and it is puzzling that you are not following the point.

  We're talking about joining games. Also, I read a lot about Alternate play, and I've been talking about Stroke play.

  When I log in, I just want to play in a group. So you look for a group, you play, then they quit midway, the game is ended, and that is the rub.

  You say "don't play with them again." Fine, I won't if I can remember who they are. But with so many players, you don't remember who they are unless you get the same guy doing the same thing again.

  You say "stick with friends". Well, how the heck you make the friends? You join groups of those you do not know first, right?

  When I read some here thinking quitting isn't a big deal, what pops in my head is that "there is a quitter right there."

  Quitters don't care about quitters. Non-quitters clearly do.

  Peace.

   

   

• deandidthis 10 Posts

  Fri, Sep 16 2011 5:14 PM

  rixtertrader:

  Without rules, Golf would not be a fun game to play. The whole idea of the rules of WGT Golf is to make it as close to playing real golf as possible. Well, how many times have you started a real golf game with 1-3 other players and have 1-3 of them quit in the middle of the game? How many times? In the 36 years I've been playing Golf, NEVER has anyone just quit in the middle of the game.

  Actually I saw a LOT of this when I was younger and worked at a country club golf pro shop for six years.

  Low handicappers pulling out of a comp during play to save their handicap. Failure to turn in their card, or have DNF "did not finish" as their score.

  But ... after a while ... rules changed ... they got hit for a loss of the 0.1 handicap (as it then was calculated) if they had DNF without a justifiable reason (injury, medical emergency).

  Probably different now anyway with rolling score averages affecting club handicaps -- I don't get involved in club golf enough nowadays to know.

  But ... quitters were penalised in real golf -- as they should be here.