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we need legend tier split into 2 tiers.

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Tue, Oct 11 2011 3:48 AM (71 replies)
  • MBaggese
    15,378 Posts
    Tue, Sep 27 2011 2:07 AM

    Welll....I agreee...lets have a Bollux, Avlee, Jake, Acefactor, sun city...etc only tier...then we can play....lol

    YA, missed a few...but ya get my gist.

  • zagraniczniak
    1,984 Posts
    Tue, Sep 27 2011 3:32 AM

    Wait ... I have it! If we can't move the tees back on the big guns, let's not give the Super Legends longer clubs ... let's give them shorter clubs!

    A 10% yardage tax on the WGT gazillionaires?

  • ryan4spurs
    828 Posts
    Tue, Sep 27 2011 5:45 AM

    Give me Bubba Watson power and I'd happily move further back.

    If you ask me the legend tier is fine, lower scores just show people who generally get to play more often.

  • gfsullivan
    196 Posts
    Tue, Sep 27 2011 6:52 AM

    Tiers is not the answer. WGT needs to figure how to make shooting 59 a near impossibility for anyone. Breaking 60 should be as hard as it is in real life for pro golfers. Until they figure that out, the problem will not change.

  • JaLaBar
    1,254 Posts
    Tue, Sep 27 2011 7:19 AM

    gfsullivan:
    Tiers is not the answer. WGT needs to figure how to make shooting 59 a near impossibility for anyone. Breaking 60 should be as hard as it is in real life for pro golfers. Until they figure that out, the problem will not change.

    How do you suggest they do that?  Move all the tee boxes farther back?  Well, that might hurt the Legends, but it would still leave the lower tiers with the same equipment as Legends but shorter holes.  Realistically, since even Hacks can get the very best equipment, to do that they'd have to move the Hack tees back to behind where the Legend tees are now.

    Have you ever noticed when someone has a bad game, they come on here and yell that "WGT has changed putting!  WGT has changed chipping!  WGT has changed the way the ball reacts to wind!"  Imagine the outcry if they intentionally tried to make each course 3-4 strokes harder.

    But, really, the point is that... sure, you could move every tee box back another 25 yards.  That might make sub-60s rare amongst the Legends.  But you'd still have TMs, that have access to the same equipment, hitting from 20 yards in front.  You'd still have TPs, who have access to the same equipment, hitting from 40 yards in front.  So, while sub-60s might be rare for the Legends, they'd still happen in the tiers before Legend.  And does it really make sense to intentionally engineer the game so that the best players shoot the worst scores?

    I think before we address any disparity between the have-Legends and the have-not-Legends, we first need to address the problems with the tiers as they currently exist.  One other thing I might suggest is a max level per tier, if WGT isn't willing to add in some perks that make elevation a desirable thing.

    Hack - max level 20

    Amateur - max level 35

    Pro - max level 50

    Tour Pro - max level 60

    Master - max level 70

    Tour Master - max level 80

    Legend - no max level

    Understand, this is not my preferred solution.  However, if this is all they are willing to do to make tier elevation something other than solely a major disadvantage, then I'd support it.  I know many that have achieved levels of 88 or higher that are not Legends, and while I like those people, I do not think it's fair that they get the same equipment as Legends with easier conditions.  My preferred solution is that, in any competition where tiers compete against each other (MPCs, open tourneys, open RGs, alt shot), the conditions should be the same for all competitors, including tee boxes, wind, greens, etc.

  • zagraniczniak
    1,984 Posts
    Tue, Sep 27 2011 7:34 AM

    GF, I hear you on the realism, but WGT has already gone down this road and there is little they can do to raise scores back where they were before they rolled out the fancy super-accurate equipment. In fact, it can only get worse, because once players buy into the fancy clubs they will never sell them another set unless they offer them new clubs that are in some respect better, i.e. will lower their score even more - just a tad.

    Moving the tiers back also defeats the realism because the back tees are as far back as the back tees on the RL courses. There would have to be virtual tees hovering in space somewhere where there are no tees in RL. 

    They could introduce additional complications into the game (as they have said they plan to do), e.g. fade, draw, up/downhill and sidehill lies. Any new variable would tend to raise the scores of the elite players slightly and raise the scores of the lesser players significantly.

  • Allen63
    364 Posts
    Tue, Sep 27 2011 9:26 AM

    1. Introducing lie variables is going to be a nice addition and extend the life of this game when/if it's ever done. If that degree of detail is realized, then PLEASE make it so we are also able to hit a decent shot from a fairway bunker other than the 15-20% ones or get sometimes better (even if more inconsistent) results from an occasional 60-70% lie...as in real life.

    2. Tier-specific equipment should be expensive and have a high risk-reward factor (i.e. faster meter and a tad less forgiveness for legend-only gear etc,).

    ex. A 285yd legend-only Diablo with a half ball faster meter and half ball less forgiveness would be really cool.

     

  • TheAceFactor
    2,147 Posts
    Tue, Sep 27 2011 4:00 PM

    JaLaBar:
    I didn't hesitate to drop below 61 when I elevated to Legend.  Doubt I'd hesitate to tier up if another tier was created.  However, I am still adamant in my position that they absolutely need to create some concrete, tangible benefits to tiering, rather than just disadvantages.
    I agree with you and Ivietri's take..."totally".  I think highly of most Legends here and I simply do not believe that sandbagging is "anywhere" in their agenda. I just found Doodle's comment  to be kinda' offensive toward a lot of good people's character...but hey , whats new ?

                                                                                                                   Ace

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Tue, Sep 27 2011 4:11 PM

    zagraniczniak:
    up/downhill and sidehill lies

    This will turn the game upside down. Then you'll have a real game and the scores will get to where they should be.

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