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Tightening Of The Screws

• law4822 437 Posts

  Thu, Oct 6 2011 4:46 AM

  only thing ive really noticed is that the wind shifts the ball a hell of a lot more on cross winds than normal especially on cabo u need to move the aimer about twice as much as u used to to get it near the hole.

  forgiveness is slightly worse maybe in ball deviation and length but not that much to make a great difference that ive found. My gripe is with the wind at the moment.

  Lee

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Thu, Oct 6 2011 4:51 AM

  You get more shots like this, clubs going full distance in strong headwind: LOL

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Thu, Oct 6 2011 4:59 AM

  law4822:

  only thing ive really noticed is that the wind shifts the ball a hell of a lot more on cross winds than normal

  I thought so. I was thinking maybe it was just deviation gone wild or something but 8 mph winds don't usually blow drives from one side of the fairway to the other on a dinged hit.

• sdorr 650 Posts

  Thu, Oct 6 2011 8:54 AM

  The thing I've noticed that kills me lately is the way the ball reacts on the par three's off the tee. It's always been kind of weird if you don't ding the drive, but yesterday and today were really bad.

  Kawai #5: Wind blowing from 9 to 3 at 6 MPH. I move the aim marker about 1 1/2 inches to the left, (towards the wind), pass and miss the ding by less than 1/32 (almost still touching the ding line), and the ball takes off just right of the pin and continues right with the wind leaving me in that oh so lovely spot way up on top of the hill with a nasty 40 footer. Just great!

  Kawai #8: Again, wind blowing from between 8 and 9 to 2 at 11 MPH. This time I take the aim marker all the way to the left off the green, about 3 inches, hit just ever so slightly before the ding, you guessed it, ball goes to the left  past my aim marker and does not move straight into the bunker. Holy crap!

  Then today, Bethpage #3: wind blowing from 3 to 9 at 9 MPH. OK, had this shot before with great results. Pull the aim marker 3/4" to the right into the wind, ding the shot and this time the ball takes off to the left of the pin and lands way out on the fringe. Never done that before.

  Oh well, I'll never figure it out. I guess that the ball's going to go where it wants despite my best efforts. I just have to laugh because it's so ridiculous.

  Have a nice day.

  P.S. Hope this was in line with this thread, if not, please disregard. Thanks.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Thu, Oct 6 2011 10:08 AM

  I can see why it happened in your first example, Sdorr. You miss on the wrong side of the ding anywhere and you will always get beaten up. Everytime and not just a little. As for the other 2 what I see is you not paying strict attention to what the 2 winds do for distance.

  At Kia that angle of wind is not going to have that much affect on direction but sure will on the carry. The ball pretty much went where you aimed it and carried a lot further than you thought it would. Sounds about right.

  In the BPB example,  wind going sideways, or close to it, will not always act the same for distance. Sometimes it carries the shot and sometimes it knocks it down. Any kind of missing the ding and deviation is in play, too, so that's where the attention comes in. Is the sideways wind indicator wavering between sideways and up or sideways and down? Take a close look at that indicator next time. You didn't mention spin so I'll leave that alone but that factors in a whole bunch, too.

• sdorr 650 Posts

  Thu, Oct 6 2011 10:58 AM

  Thanks Jim, most of the stuff you refer to I deal into the equation.

  YankeeJim:

  You miss on the wrong side of the ding anywhere and you will always get beaten up. Everytime and not just a little.

  . But this effect is much more severe on the par 3's. Most all of the other par 4 and 5's are a tad more forgiving in respect to the ding.

  YankeeJim:

  At Kia that angle of wind is not going to have that much affect on direction but sure will on the carry. The ball pretty much went where you aimed it

  Not really thinks me. We have all had the same kind of shot and the ball carries with the wind, most of the time. I can understand the ball not moving much if your wind is say, from 7 to 1, or 5 to 11, something like that. But it's still a pretty good cross wind from my aformentioned shot. In that case, I used full backspin, which in theory, should have "floated" the ball. The result acted as though I had applied full top spin and was "cutting" into the wind. Go figure.

  I will admit that I am not perfect, (I know, you can't believe it), CHOKE, and I still have so much to learn about this game. But I know this and it's a fact of life today. Huston, we have a problem! Rampant un-checked deviation, and it's not always pretty.

  I guess it's one of the "benefits" of being a Legend. LOL. Like a box of chocolate, you never know what your going to get.

   

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Thu, Oct 6 2011 11:44 AM

  sdorr:

  I can understand the ball not moving much if your wind is say, from 7 to 1, or 5 to 11, something like that. But it's still a pretty good cross wind from my aformentioned shot.

  I agree. Or used to. I'm finding that the affect of wind that's in a grey area where you're not sure just how much off the target line it will fly, it's better to err on the side of not enough aim as opposed to too much.

• macbar 79 Posts

  Thu, Oct 6 2011 12:50 PM

  Hi E. Long time no see. I read your post with some degree of interest since I have experienced the same issues of late. After giving it quite a bit of thought, I've come to the conclusion that WGT no longer cares what it's members think if they have reached a certain tier level (i.e. TM or Legend). The logic behind this apathy is fairly simple really. Most of the player revenues that WGT receives comes from the lower tiered players who constantly upgrade equipment in order to reach the next level of "prestige", totally unaware that they are about to join us TM's and Legends who are no longer useful to the ownership of the website. Other than a few balls here or there, how much have you spent on WGT over the last several months? All of this stuff is totally driven by cashola, folks and WGT couldn't care less what we think about it.

  Oh and as an aside ... how many of your putts that you were absolutely certain  you had aimed and dinged just right are winding up just barely skirting the hole to the right or left these days? I am a very competitive sort and I want what I hit ... no more... no less. If WGT doesn't start paying some attention to these issues they're gonna find themselves catering only to the lower tiered players out of necessity because any of us with any degree of longevity and skill here will be long gone.

• Ecka65 245 Posts

  Thu, Oct 6 2011 2:30 PM

  With proper respect to the far more experienced players:

  My theory that explains everything is that the coding for deviation has set the limits too high, and is not following a proper bell curve model where the vast majority of shots should be very close to the mark.

  It would explain the "dissappearing wind phenomenon".  The wind is still there, but you get an extreme "edge" deviation of +15 yards or - 15 yards and the shot travels stupidly long or short.

  It would explain the "ball attributes didn't seem to factor".

  It would explain why a total miss can end up perfect, and a perfect shot can end up terribly innacurate.

  It explains why in one round the putt rolls evenly, but in the next it pulls a hand brake and stops short on the lip.  Why on one hole a gentle break does what you'd expect, and on the next holds the line or breaks twice as much as expected.

  What it means is that the better a player gets at the game, the more they notice it.  Sadly, what it also means is that as often as not, the end result of a single play will have as much to do with deviation luck as it will with ability and skill.

  I think WGT need to review how large the deviation settings are, how often extremes can show up, and wether or not factors such as precision and balance are properly mitigating deviation as they're supposed to.

• sdorr 650 Posts

  Thu, Oct 6 2011 3:41 PM

  Ecka65:

  It would explain why a total miss can end up perfect, and a perfect shot can end up terribly innacurate.

  Ecka65:

  It would explain the "dissappearing wind phenomenon". 

  Ecka65:

  With proper respect to the far more experienced players:

  That is the thing right there in a nutshell.

  I speak only for myself on this, but as of late, I am programmed now, to anticipate the worst. It lives, breaths, functions for one and only one reason. To get sdorr. Cocky SOB, we'll bring him down a notch or four. LOL

  And then, just when I think I have it, deviation leaves and has me assaying my shot. What the hell was that? That went exactly where I aimed it, FSOB. AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH.

  All in fun people for those of you who might take it a little to serious. It's just a game!