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Wed, Oct 26 2011 5:09 PM (45 replies)
  • Yoda79
    697 Posts
    Mon, Oct 24 2011 2:53 PM

    Cleworthy:
    Master Yoda - Respectfully, you may have to rethink going without a 3 wood once you make legend.  I also tried to run with 4 wedges and no 3 wood but once I made legend I found there are some par 5s where you will have no shot at eagle without a 3 wood and in the case of the par 5 #14 on SA, with a stiff head wind, you won't be able to make it to the second fairway approaching the green.  C

    I thank you for that bit of knowledge. I have played a little bit on legend tees (in the 2 Opens we had this past summer) and did quite well on them. Shooting a 64 at Congressional and a 58 RSG. However, once I make legend, (if I do) I may end up going back to using 3 wedges. I will keep that info in the back of my mind. I'm just so attached to my set-up now and I'm quite the stubborn person. While I'm thinking of it are there any legends that is reading this run with 4 wedges?? Can it work?? Thanks again Cleworthy!! 

                                                                                                                Master Yoda

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Mon, Oct 24 2011 4:44 PM

    Yoda79:
    While I'm thinking of it are there any legends that is reading this run with 4 wedges??

    I did for a while. Used the CG 115 in place of the 3W and was totally amazed at how it never came into play. 3 wedges with the Burners is total coverage that makes carrying the 3W a no brainer.  

  • broahes
    191 Posts
    Tue, Oct 25 2011 5:20 AM

    YankeeJim:

    p.s., I trust you're sharing all this with Argy.  ;-)

     

    I've been trying to get her back to playing again but I think she was a little embarrassed that she let her frustrations take hold and get the best of her.. I have no doubt that she is snooping the forums though :)

  • DarSum
    1,440 Posts
    Tue, Oct 25 2011 6:38 AM

    YankeeJim:

     Keep the 3W and the Satin64 and add the CG 80 and 100. The 115 will eventually not be needed if you go with Burners so save your money there 

     

    I have the 52° 115 yrd CG, the 60° 80 yrd CG and the 64° TM Z plus the 2.0 burners. I use the 52 because the 2.0 PW doesn't give me the spin I want from 115 to 90. Even with the punch shot.

    If you need a little coaxing to go with the CGs check out this shot I just hit on STA #2. 111 yrds with 9 mph TAIL wind. I played full bs and just slightly more than one avatar movement down. No way the TM or Ping wedges pull off this shot.

    replay.aspx?ID=27394ce6 95b7 42c2 9c7b 9f8700dcac51

     

  • JaLaBar
    1,254 Posts
    Tue, Oct 25 2011 7:22 AM

    broahes:
    Edit to add: I'm not shutting out the idea of the higher level Clevelands.. but like I said, I've already spent a lot more on clubs than I should and in this economy, money doesn't grow on trees.  Are they really worth it?

    Totally subjective question, but I will try to give you an objective answer.  The top Clevelands are dynamite clubs.  I feel like from 100y in I can stiff the flag at any time, from any lie save sand (which doesn't matter what wedge I am using), and they even seem to be better in sand.  As to whether they are worth the extra credits above what the other wedges cost, I think so... but whether they are worth the expenditure depends on your finances.

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Tue, Oct 25 2011 7:24 AM

    DarSum:
    I have the 52° 115 yrd CG, the 60° 80 yrd CG and the 64° TM Z plus the 2.0 burners. I use the 52 because the 2.0 PW doesn't give me the spin I want from 115 to 90.

    I do too. How do you play 85 yard (+/-) shots?

     

  • SgtDoodles
    3,112 Posts
    Tue, Oct 25 2011 7:40 AM

    YankeeJim:

    DarSum:
    I have the 52° 115 yrd CG, the 60° 80 yrd CG and the 64° TM Z plus the 2.0 burners. I use the 52 because the 2.0 PW doesn't give me the spin I want from 115 to 90.

    I do too. How do you play 85 yard (+/-) shots?

    I do too, and I play 85 yard shots with the 80 wedge, plenty of topspin. 52 wedge punched is too inconsistent to be choked to 85, IMO.

  • JaLaBar
    1,254 Posts
    Tue, Oct 25 2011 8:04 AM

    I'd say the key thing to using the Cleveland wedges is knowing when to use BS and how much.  With Callaway (z)s, the only time I ever use BS with my 56 and 60 degree Clevelands is out of sand, unless I'm landing on a wicked down-sloping green.  I don't use BS with my 64 degree outside 35y, again unless hitting out of sand or landing on a wicked downslope green.  Inside 35y, I almost always use full BS.  That seems to be the distance cutoff between no or almost no backup and yanking the ball backwards 5-30y.  I don't try to backup wedges, I try to stop them cold and aim right at pins.  You also have to realize that when choking down on the wedges, there is a point where the club will become weaker.  In other words, if you hit the 60 degree wedge (80y listed) on a 60y shot, and hit it 75%, it will only go 54-58y.  However, if you hit a 72y shot at 90%, you'll get 74-75.  The more you choke down, the higher relative % of the bar you'll need.  They also cut through wind a lot, so if you have 10 MPH in your face, and you hit that 60y shot 70y with a 60 degree wedge, you'll fly the hole by 6y.  They also get out of rough better than most clubs.  At 60y in 40/50, I can hit 72 with the 60 degree and get to the hole.

    And just so you know, if you hit full backspin and are using more than 70% of the meter, you can back the ball up with any of these clubs out of pretty much any lie except sand.

  • DarSum
    1,440 Posts
    Tue, Oct 25 2011 8:16 AM

    YankeeJim:

    DarSum:
    I have the 52° 115 yrd CG, the 60° 80 yrd CG and the 64° TM Z plus the 2.0 burners. I use the 52 because the 2.0 PW doesn't give me the spin I want from 115 to 90.

    I do too. How do you play 85 yard (+/-) shots?

    Without compensating for wind, lie or elevation. Perfect conditions. The 60° 80 yrd will go 85-87 full topspin. The 52° will go 85-87 2 avatar movements down with full bs. The 52° will not generate a lot of backspin when you choke it. It will usually stop dead unless you're hitting into a strong headwind and the green is sloped at you. From those spin settings you can take off yards from the 60° by lowering the topspin all the way to middle. I never go below middle with the 60° unless I'm in over 30% rough or sand. Same with the 52°. You can add yrds by going up slightly on the backspin. I'm talking about adjusting for 1-2 yrd differences. Anymore than that I use avatar movements and spin.

    Just to show the 85 yrd shot in case someone doesn't believe me that the 52° is accurate when choking here is a shot from 86 yrds 2 avatar movements down full backspin. I missed the ding slightly early here. But you get the idea.

    replay.aspx?ID=17ddaa13 4a0c 453a 98c3 9f8700f89794

  • DarSum
    1,440 Posts
    Tue, Oct 25 2011 8:23 AM

    JaLaBar:

     You also have to realize that when choking down on the wedges, there is a point where the club will become weaker.  In other words, if you hit the 60 degree wedge (80y listed) on a 60y shot, and hit it 75%, it will only go 54-58y.  However, if you hit a 72y shot at 90%, you'll get 74-75.  The more you choke down, the higher relative % of the bar you'll need. 

    The 60° will go 60yrds all day every day 2 1/2 avatar movements down. It will also go 72 yrds all day everyday 1 avatar movement down. This is no bs applied. Perfect conditions.

    The 54-58 yrds? Lots of room there. Try it at 3 avatar movements down. It goes 55 yrds. All day everyday lol

    I would be lost playing percentages of the meter.

     

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