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Yet another advice needed thread :)

• broahes 191 Posts

  Mon, Oct 24 2011 6:44 AM

  First off, I'm sorry I'm starting yet another wedge topic, but I feel like my questions are a little different than others and would like as much feedback as possible.

  I have been playing the Lvl 59 G-10 irons since I opened them up.  They took a while to get use to the meter, as I was use to Raptures prior to that.  Now that I've gotten them down (somewhat).. I LOVE THEM.  I have had some issues with the 7i (spin and distance issues) but all in all.. I don't think I could have made a better choice. 

  I'm also learning the benefit of having the same meter speed on all my clubs.  That brings me to my first question:

  Are the G-10 irons suitable to use, even when/if I reach legend?  Are there any Legends around that can vouch that I'm not going to be in desperate need of the extra 10 yards and the Burner 2.0 irons?

  I'm looking to upgrade to the R-11 Driver and R-11 3W when I open them up.  I'm content with the G-10 driver and Rapture 3W that I currently have until those open up.  I made the mistake of purchasing clubs left and right when I was opening them up when it wasn't really necessary, and I don't want to continue making that mistake.

  
  Now for my second issue, and one that I feel completely lost on at the moment..

  What wedges?

  I tried the lower level Cleveland wedges and couldn't really get use to them, as they play a lot different than the Pings T-Ws and TM Zs.. at least to me they do.  Perhaps I just needed more time than what I gave them in renting them.  I think there is an advantage of keeping all 3 wedges the same brand, as they all have their quirks and I think it is easier to master one brand and stick with it. 

  Note here that I basically use the 10 credit X-D balls but will more than likely move it up a little when and again if I ever reach Legend.  That being said, the Ping wedges have always given me a little more problem with roll off than the Satins.

  I love my 64 degree Z, but I think I need to move that up to 60 to space it out a little more even and because sooner or later I am going to be approaching from a little further off.  Am I correct in thinking that, or should I stick with the 64 satin?

  I was thinking of the distances of 105 or 100, 80 or 75, and 60 for my 3 wedges.. given that my PW with the G-10s is 115 and punches 98 (a shot I've grown to love).

  Edit to add: I'm not shutting out the idea of the higher level Clevelands.. but like I said, I've already spent a lot more on clubs than I should and in this economy, money doesn't grow on trees.  Are they really worth it?

  Thoughts?

  Thanks,

  Brooks

• jeffdos924 1,085 Posts

  Mon, Oct 24 2011 7:13 AM

   First, the biggest advantage to the Burner 2.0's is the stopping power, even with the longer irons. The extra yards on the top end almost eliminate the need for 3w ... almost. That said, the g10's are just fine if you wanted to stick with them.

   I can't answer about the Cleveland wedges... I couldn't justify the extra expense to myself.

   I've used the TP Z-satins  forever. With the G10 iron set,  my 3 wedges were the 105,  77, and 50 yrds. With punches, those 3 cover pretty much anything.  I recently picked up the 110 yrd master Z-satin, just because it fills the gap for the 125yrd Burner PW a little better.

   Do the Clevelands stop the ball better?  From what I've seen, absolutely!  I've seen some pretty amazing ( good and bad) shots with them.

  Are they worth the extra cost and the time to re-learn them?  I don't know. For me, it wasn't... there's something to said for  sticking with clubs you know.

• SgtDoodles 3,112 Posts

  Mon, Oct 24 2011 7:23 AM

  Regarding the irons, I'm a Legend and I can vouch the Burner 2.0's are a MUST MUST MUST MUST MUST buy. When you reach L79, BUY BUY BUY and you'll make TM pretty quick.

  Regarding the wedges, I'd get 105 (punches 85 or so), 80 (punches 65 or so) and 60 (punches 50 or so). The 105 has the most spin, then the 60, then the 80.

• birdwell 561 Posts

  Mon, Oct 24 2011 7:51 AM

  I get buy with the G10's on all courses very well. So no, the 2.0's are not mandatory. If you prefer to keep the same swing speed, this is the way to go for now.

  I use the tour S ball - this combo gives me plenty of stopping power. so The g10's should serve you well as a legend - if you use a good spin ball. The cally's are best, but the Srixon is pretty good too.

  Wedge choices, imo, depend on your short game style. If you like to flop from close yardage from the fringe and greenside rough, the 15 yard flop of the 64 degree satin is the best choice. If you are comfortable with chipping out of the rough and like to play Flops out of greenside bunkers, the 19 yard flop of the Ping 64 or the Cleveland will be better. Pick the 60 and 56 degree that fills the gaps best for you from there. I find the Pings back up more on punch shots than the satins - the clevands even more than the pings I'd guess - so how you use this shot will be a big factor in which you choose.

  I will likely replace my 64 ping with the cleveland at some point, but until I give up the g-10's, the Ping 60 and 56 are staying in the bag. Absolutly love em.

• SgtDoodles 3,112 Posts

  Mon, Oct 24 2011 8:12 AM

  Birdwell, just out of interest, have you actually tried out the Burner 2.0's?

• Cleworthy 3,468 Posts

  Mon, Oct 24 2011 8:12 AM

  As a tour master, I was very fond of my G10 irons, particularly the high ball flight - until I played #17 at BPB with a legend.  I quickly realized there was NO WAY to make that shot to right pin on that narrow par 3 with even the G10s.  You must have the high ball flight AND the higher spin of the Burner 2.0 irons (along with a high spin ball).  At legend that's all you do is hit long irons into greens.  Bottom line is you could get by with the G10s at legend but there will be some shots that you WILL NOT be able to make adequately.

  I personally use the Cleveland 64, 60 and 56 wedges and am very happy with them but they do take getting used to with their high spin rates.  They do give you confidence to stop the ball on a dime in just about any conditions.  However I see many people using the Satin Z's and the Pings and they seem to do fine with them.

  So bottom line, if money is an issue and you are contemplating the legend tier, I would say invest first in the Burner 2.0s before investing in wedges.  C

• DarSum 1,440 Posts

  Mon, Oct 24 2011 8:21 AM

  broahes:

   

  Are the G-10 irons suitable to use, even when/if I reach legend?  Are there any Legends around that can vouch that I'm not going to be in desperate need of the extra 10 yards and the Burner 2.0 irons?

  I'm looking to upgrade to the R-11 Driver and R-11 3W when I open them up.  I'm content with the G-10 driver and Rapture 3W that I currently have until those open up.  I made the mistake of purchasing clubs left and right when I was opening them up when it wasn't really necessary, and I don't want to continue making that mistake.

  
  Now for my second issue, and one that I feel completely lost on at the moment..

  What wedges?

  I used the G-10s as a Legend for a long time and scored well with them. I finally broke down and bought 2.0s. After getting used to them I made a big mistake not buying them sooner. I can actually hit and hold the green on BPB #5 from 180 yrds and below. Even without a headwind. I could never hold that green with G-10s unless I hit it PERFECTLY to land in the rough and release onto the green. That is just one example of the stopping power of those irons. And IMO they are way more forgiving than the G-10s on a missed ding in the direction the wind is blowing. I should know, I miss the ding a lot.

  The R-11's are the best driver/3w combo. You'll love them. The driver will carry 300+ with full bs and very little roll out. Comes in handy to carry over fairway bunkers, doglegs, etc.

  Wedges... Personal choice there. Clevelands are going to give you the most spin. Handy when playing STA with 25mph tail wind from 110 to 60yrds because those wedges will control run out in that situation like no other. I have a reply on my profile holing on #2 with the upfront pin. Full bs the ball hit in the middle of the downhill and trickled in. Any other wedge would have been 20+ feet by.

  Darin

• Squez 469 Posts

  Mon, Oct 24 2011 8:52 AM

  As far as the irons go I've never used the G10's but I must say the 2.0s are a must have IMO, great clubs they lowered my score alot.

  I was pretty good with the satin wedges and wasn't going to upgrade to the clevelands, but decided to give them a try and absolutely love them, I use the 115,100,and 60, IMO also a must have, did wonders for my short game.

  I also recently picked up the R11 driver and 3wood, well worth the wait. Stick with the G10 driver until you get to lvl 88.

• sdorr 650 Posts

  Mon, Oct 24 2011 9:14 AM

  I have been playing with the R-11 driver and 3 wood, plus the g-10's. I also have 3 satin z wedges. I have been very happy with this setup and have had good results. TRUE, the g-10's let the ball run, but I play my shots accordingly and allow for the roll.

  The thing I like the best with this setup is that all of the clubs have the same swing meter speeds.

  I have been toying around with the idea of getting the 2.0s because of their stopping capability, but I would then would probably want to get the cleveland wedges so that I would have the same swing meter speed for the irons and wedges. I do not want to deal with more than two speeds, just to confusing. I have enough to worry about as it is. (Carma and all).

  Perhaps after Christmas I will indulge myself and give it a try, but for now, what I have works fine.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Mon, Oct 24 2011 9:29 AM

  If meter speed consistency is a concern the Burners will louse that up. They don't match the R11 driver, 3W and all the wedges. When you're dinging the driver you're late on the irons and when you're dinging the irons you're pulling your drives. You can master the difference but it isn't easy.