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What Happened to the 2 Big Monthly's!?

Thu, Feb 10 2022 4:34 PM (205 replies)
  • PureGro1
    1,657 Posts
    Sat, Feb 5 2022 9:11 AM

    What I said was directed at everyone to stop and look at how they were talking to each other...nothing more, your brain is interpreting this as some kind of attack?

    My Advice- Stop taking a "Side" and read each persons suggestions or complaints as their own, instead of making it an Us Vs Them thing.

    If you do that, what I said may make more sense to you.

    DodgyPutter:
    Which side of the debate do you see a lot of jealousy from?  How many people have been arguing that way?

    Ahh, well there is the issue- I was taking each post as its own on its own merit while your playing 2 sided gang warfare in your head. 

    DodgyPutter:
    To say what you do is accusing all of them of jealousy as clearly you don't see it from the CK+.

    That is your own thoughts doing that, Not what I said for sure.

    DodgyPutter:
    Sigh I'm tired and I don't really want to play these games, I'll find the quote tomorrow then I'm done.

    Dont bother, I only responded to this thread due to someone saying something totally false...I have no idea what your angle is and I am sure you can find something I said in some other context relatable to this.

    DodgyPutter:

    PureGro1:
    If you feel I meant you then maybe there is a reason and that reason did not include my naming you or saying it had anything to do with you.

    Just Lol.

    Exactly.

  • Slimjim001
    1,061 Posts
    Sat, Feb 5 2022 9:39 AM

    Where in the h___ has that warm fuzzy feeling gone that I had when I was a Tour Master. Oh ya, now I remember. That was before I discovered the forums. lol

  • Schmails3
    185 Posts
    Sat, Feb 5 2022 10:09 AM

    I think alot of people are missing the point here and are just trying to defend their position.  This game offers many different aspects of play for many different levels of players for their own fun and competition.  This cant be a cookie cutter approach to try and include everyone in everything though.

    The problem with the change is that it takes away something from the top players which is actually limited already. Dont forget many of these guys have actually made good money from this game, anywhere from $1000 to over $50,000 per year alone.  There needs to be something for them as well to keep them intrigued and playing.  Sure WGT could lose them and it would be ok, but does WGT want to just be a game for people to play or hang out or does it want to grow bigger in the gaming world, i dont know but they wont do the latter without the top players. 

    You want to talk about making wgt whole with the tournaments, do you really think wgt isnt making money?  People buy apparel, clubs, a ton of passes on the mobile side, balls, wgt gets there cuts on credit match plays and skins games.  They offer many free tournaments where they pay out, why cant they do the same for top players?  I dont know what it is now, but a few years ago there was an article that WGT was making i believe am average of $25 or $30 per player per month.  Thats plenty of revenue if its true today. 

    Not sure why the post turned out the way it did except one guy voiced his displeasure with the changes towards wgt.  Then many come in throwing insults when they really dont know what they are talking about other than they just want to pipe in because they have nothing better to do.  Although im glad some made some good points and suggestions finally though after making jabs and such. 

  • PrimerLance
    24 Posts
    Sat, Feb 5 2022 10:48 AM

    WGTNico:
    When it comes to the two monthly's, we made changes based on what we see from other tournaments. When more players have the opportunity to win, more players are likely to enter them.

     

    "We neutered the highest-level events to get worse players to participate in them" is a very disappointing answer.  First of all, you're not adding more players with the opportunity to win; you're adding players whose foremost concern is recouping a quarter of their credits when they finish t-51.  It suggests WGT's literal only goal in putting on a tournament is to draw as many entry fees and ball hits as possible and that stimulating high-level competition is not even a concern.

     

    Not every touring pro gets to play The Masters.  That the top-three bar is high and requires striving for -- and, yes, might discourage participation by people who can't hack it at that level -- was the point.

     

     

    DodgyPutter:
    All the talk has been about what's best for the top players, as it generally is, but once again the ones funding them are ignored.

     

    There are dozens of events each month that cater to the just-don't-lose-too-many-credits set.  The fact that the upper echelons want a whole two that spur fierce competition that might be beyond the middling player's reach does not constitute all talk being about only their concerns, always.

     

    DodgyPutter:
      So far in this months premium; eleven scores at TC and forty one at TP.  The same entry fee for both but 6,000c prize fund at TP and 25,000c prize at TC.  So the TP's have paid nearly 4 times as much for less than a quarter of the returns.

    Or let's put it another way the TP's have already paid 2,200c in entry fees more than will be paid out in prizes to them while the TC's are 22,800c short, how do you think wgt will balance the books?  I'll keep an eye out as the month goes on, but really, who has cause for complaint?

     

    Your entire argument stems from a premise that is facially wrong.  Credits are a fiction and don't actually cost WGT anything to dole out.  As such, the Tour Pro monthly is not covering a financial shortfall caused by the Tour Champions' prize being too big. 

     

    By the way, what tier do you think comprises the majority of the fields with the biggest entry fees the rest of the month when 20% is getting skimmed off the top?  You think those might be taking more credits out of circulation, to WGT's benefit, than a 25-credit Tour Pro ready-go?

  • DodgyPutter
    4,690 Posts
    Sat, Feb 5 2022 11:02 AM

    Schmails3:
    I think alot of people are missing the point here and are just trying to defend their position.  This game offers many different aspects of play for many different levels of players for their own fun and competition.  This cant be a cookie cutter approach to try and include everyone in everything though.

    I'm not, the simple fact is that the premier monthly is 8 tournaments each one at a different tier.  The cookie kutter approach is that what is best for some top players is best, or that what would be lost is available elsewhere.  At TC this is probably true so ask for another, open, competition as you want to have it.

    Who the changes are best for is the lower tiers in their separate competitions, the reasons that the new way is best for them I've described before.  That they are already paying toward prizes for the credit rich is wrong and people want them to do it more.

    For one last time I'm not saying you shouldn't ask for a competition, just make it a new one.  Surely that can be fitted even better to your needs.

    @JSmithers Lower tiers paying the majority of the entry fees and the top tiers taking the majority of the prize money for one thing.   

  • SamSpayed
    5,082 Posts
    Sat, Feb 5 2022 11:56 AM

    xAmazingTrace:
    I was done with it, until I saw your last dig at Josh, as if this was all his fault.

    Just a quick comment on this.  I went back and re-read my post.  I did not mean to imply in my reply to Josh that it was his fault that this thread went the way it did.  But I can certainly see how it could be read that way.  It was not Josh's fault.

    The point I was trying to make was that if people would start discussion threads like this one, not by just complaining, but by offering proposed solutions, I think it would go over much better.

  • ct690911
    7,205 Posts
    Sat, Feb 5 2022 1:25 PM

    @PrimerLance

    "Your entire argument stems from a premise that is facially wrong.  Credits are a fiction and don't actually cost WGT anything to dole out.  As such, the Tour Pro monthly is not covering a financial shortfall caused by the Tour Champions' prize being too big. "

      I agree with almost all of your post. However, if people don't win the credits, they then have to watch videos or buy them. So, while it doesn't cost anything for wgt to "dole out" credits per se, it does supplant the requirement for folks to spend real money to buy them.

    ct

  • DodgyPutter
    4,690 Posts
    Sat, Feb 5 2022 2:03 PM

    PrimerLance:
    "We neutered the highest-level events to get worse players to participate in them" is a very disappointing answer.

    You shouldn't give it then besides someone with as many "others" in as few rr's as you have must have been quite a poor player at one time too. 

    PrimerLance:
    There are dozens of events each month that cater to the just-don't-lose-too-many-credits set.  The fact that the upper echelons want a whole two that spur fierce competition that might be beyond the middling player's reach does not constitute all talk being about only their concerns, always.

    As you are only too well aware the premium monthly is available at many tiers.  It should include mainly "middling" players at the lower ones.  The problem is that as the top 3 got such a good prize it was targeted by cheats and sandbaggers, with the prize more diluted this will be less of a problem.  You deride honest "middling" players yet will you do the same about sandbaggers? About cheats?  

    PrimerLance:
    Your entire argument stems from a premise that is facially wrong.  Credits are a fiction and don't actually cost WGT anything to dole out.  As such, the Tour Pro monthly is not covering a financial shortfall caused by the Tour Champions' prize being too big. 

    Very clever, or something.  The credits the TP's use are bought with the TP's money or their work, 

    PrimerLance:
    By the way, what tier do you think comprises the majority of the fields with the biggest entry fees the rest of the month when 20% is getting skimmed off the top?  You think those might be taking more credits out of circulation, to WGT's benefit, than a 25-credit Tour Pro ready-go?

    Wow quite a come back for credits, they were a fiction in the previous paragraph.

    I see you've had a promotion since the last thread you visited, congratulations :-)

  • MioKontic
    4,663 Posts
    Sat, Feb 5 2022 2:38 PM

    Look what the cat dragged in; maybe he needs another restart.  Oh wait, no point, the big catch ain't there any more  :D

    And seeing as he doesn't play any more since his promotion, I wonder who told him about this thread???

  • SimonTheBeetle
    3,833 Posts
    Sat, Feb 5 2022 3:46 PM

    Slimjim001:

    Posting on this thread is like jumping into a piranha infested river. 

    LMAO Let me try my luck...

    Been reading the whole thread here and... the OP (along with the folks from the same turf chiming in mostly) are whining, no sorry... complaining essentially because "their" potential credits have been dramatically reduced overnight. Don't come up with that "No, this is about the passion for competition or love for the game or making the game better for everyone" BS now. You and I know it's not true. I hope you can admit that much at least.

    Makes me wonder... Why do you take winning credits so seriously?? Especially now that Amazon gift cards are gone 86 since March 2020 and there is no tangible way to convert them into real cash value. I do amass & save credits whenever I can to buy balls & gears I like, and I can assure you watching videos for 150c everyday and playing rounds here & there every once in a while get me plenty enough to keep me going. I'm sure it's the same for most players here. Maybe credits have some other values for you "we outside of the circle" don't know about. I don't know... What I know for sure is most definitely I wouldn't come to the forums and attempt to change the system to win some more useless in-game currency to most people here.

    If you don't like what WGT gives you, then create one(s) in your CC. You have enough resource and people in it, I 'm sure.

    One fact I find funny and interesting is that your "plata o plomo" attitude, embracing those who chime in and pipping those who oppose suits perfectly the name of your place. As a matter of fact, the term Kai (会) in Cobra Kai (コブラ会) is often used and associated with groups or organizations formed in the dark for illegal purposes such as the infamous Triad (三合会). I'm almost certain you didn't have any of these back in your mind when you named it but... helluva coincidence, eh?

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