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Please Sir, Can I have UEL back?

Sun, Feb 13 2022 6:15 AM (16 replies)
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  • DodgyPutter
    4,690 Posts
    Fri, Feb 11 2022 7:07 AM

    Many moons ago this game was quite different to what we have now.  Yes it was still largely pay (or work) to win but there was a larger element of skill and experience needed.  When buying equipment, you may have to consider if that extra five yards or a tiny bit more precision was worth that slightly faster meter. Now it's simply how many credits for the slow meter and extra everything.  

    The days when players had to figure out what would happen when their ball landed have gone too, there's little need to learn the courses.

    It's probably possible to join play a month or two just getting as many xp (pay and there are options that help with that) as possible.  Get/buy (whatever happens) someone's spreadsheet for wind, distance etc, instruction on how to count dots for putting, extra cash for their course notes. Now get decent equipment and shoot well under par.  Trouble hitting the ding?  There are balls to fix that and even the focus boost.

    I know this won't change people spend money and expect to "get better" for it and that seems to simply mean score lower.  I think wgt have that sorted for them.

     

    Please can we have uneven Lie back.  It would bring something different; it would bring fun, unpredictability, a bit of adventure, a game of skill, the occasional par or even worseb/better.  There would be a golf game again, sure the spreadsheets and dot counting may catch up but I'd think not much unless there were significant prizes up for grabs.

    Here's an example of the interest in one of the tough it out events some enjoyed(?) One of the early UEL Ryder Cups, a tradition revived in part by Birchi in his 2018 and 2019 versions.

    For those that haven't seen UEL, perhaps including Nico, I've included a couple of videos with Mags making UEL look a lot easier than it is and tough it out looking almost as hard as it is, I wanted a video of him struggling with UEL but there didn't seem to be any of them kept.

     

    Of course I realise that many of the uel players have gone from the game and it's only those that came from the flash version that ever played it.  The newer and mobile players would need to put in a fair bit of effort to learn it, if they could stand scoring over 60, but that was part of the fun.  A shot hit close from a 45 degree slope feels much better than a calculation successfully punched in and a ding nearly hit.

    I think enough would play it to make it worth getting back as quickly as possible. 

     

    11-24-2020 11:33 AM

    This is what WGT said about 6 weeks ago:

     WGTChampion:

    Will Uneven Lies come to the new WGT?

    Yes, however we're not sure exactly when yet. Unfortunately, we don't expect to have Uneven Lies added to WGT on PC before the end of the year.  

    So it wasn't to be before the end of 2020, an update now would be much appreciated.

  • benslammin
    238 Posts
    Fri, Feb 11 2022 7:18 AM

    Try out Links.  Great game, tons of courses and always UEL's

  • SamSpayed
    5,021 Posts
    Fri, Feb 11 2022 9:18 AM

    DodgyPutter:

    This is what WGT said about 6 weeks ago:

    WGTChampion:

    Will Uneven Lies come to the new WGT?

    Yes, however we're not sure exactly when yet. Unfortunately, we don't expect to have Uneven Lies added to WGT on PC before the end of the year. 

    So it wasn't to be before the end of 2020, an update now would be much appreciated.

    That note from WGTChampion was actually 16 months ago at this point.

    I, too, would like to see UEL return.  But I think you and I are in the minority.  Very few people played the weekly UEL tournaments that WGT hosted, often less than 50 (at least at my tiers at the time they were offered).  And on those rare occasions when I set up a multiplayer round as UEL, my playing partners would complain bitterly.  It's not something that's enjoyed by everyone, or even by many.

    If they do bring back UEL, I would hope that WGT would make it more realistic when they do.  One of my complaints about it was that many lies were next-to-impossible to recover from, even though they wouldn't really be that hard to handle on a real-life golf course.  Greenside bunkers were a great example of that.  

    WGTNico - since it's been over 16 months, can you give us an update on where your development team stands with bringing Uneven Lies back to the game?  Is it still being worked on, or has it been moved to the back burner, or has it been abandoned altogether?

  • WGTNico
    650 Posts
    Fri, Feb 11 2022 12:39 PM

    Since it is a feature that not many played, it is something that is on the back burner for now, it is still on our radar, but the team has other stuff that has their main focus right now.

  • SimonTheBeetle
    3,645 Posts
    Fri, Feb 11 2022 1:08 PM

    WGTNico:

    Since it is a feature that not many played, it is something that is on the back burner for now, it is still on our radar, but the team has other stuff that has their main focus right now.

    Glad to hear it, Nico. Fixing bugs & glitches should be the top priority for now. (Especially that of the showdown event!)

  • DodgyPutter
    4,690 Posts
    Fri, Feb 11 2022 1:50 PM

    DodgyPutter:

    This is  what wgt said about 6 weeks ago:

    SamSpayed:
    That note from WGTChampion was actually 16 months ago at this point.

    Perhaps 16 months is six weeks before 11-24-2020?

    SamSpayed:
    Very few people played the weekly UEL tournaments that WGT hosted, often less than 50 (at least at my tiers at the time they were offered).

    This is wrong, folk seem to like quoting the number of people that post a score as the number that played.  It's not the same, especially in uel.  Did it's job though.

    SamSpayed:
    If they do bring back UEL, I would hope that WGT would make it more realistic when they do.  One of my complaints about it was that many lies were next-to-impossible to recover from, even though they wouldn't really be that hard to handle on a real-life golf course.  Greenside bunkers were a great example of that.  

    Well seems little point in discussing the fine detail.  I did at least get a smile though, having to play sideways, or even backwards, out of a bunker was so unrealistic.  Here we now are wearing hats that make our drives go 40yds further :-). 

  • SamSpayed
    5,021 Posts
    Fri, Feb 11 2022 2:02 PM

    DodgyPutter:
    Perhaps 16 months is six weeks before 11-24-2020?

    Whatever, dude.  WGTChampion's note that you linked was dated Tue, Oct 6 2020 3:49 PM.  That's 16 months ago.  

    In any event, WGTNico has answered your question.  (Thank you, Nico.)  If you want to pick a fight with me over something so trivial, send me a PM.

  • DodgyPutter
    4,690 Posts
    Fri, Feb 11 2022 2:51 PM

    DodgyPutter:

    11-24-2020 11:33 AM

    This is what WGT said about 6 weeks ago:

     WGTChampion:

    Will Uneven Lies come to the new WGT?

    SamSpayed:
    If you want to pick a fight with me over something so trivial, send me a PM.

    It was you picking the fight, it was you I was quoting above (from 11-24-2020) and I regret to inform you it's not your forum, sorry dude :-(

    Edit: and anyway I can't pm you, you booted me off your friends list the last time I said something you didn't like. 

  • ct690911
    7,205 Posts
    Fri, Feb 11 2022 4:18 PM

    DodgyPutter:

    DodgyPutter:

    11-24-2020 11:33 AM

     

    This is what WGT said about 6 weeks ago:

     WGTChampion:

    Will Uneven Lies come to the new WGT?

    SamSpayed:

    If you want to pick a fight with me over something so trivial, send me a PM

    .

    It was you picking the fight, it was you I was quoting above (from 11-24-2020) and I regret to inform you it's not your forum, sorry dude :-(

    Edit: and anyway I can't pm you, you booted me off your friends list the last time I said something you didn't like. 

    Sorry Scott; I'm with Dodgy on this one. I also didn't get a chance to address something "so trivial"  'cause you booted me right away.

    No hard feelings, though. I still follow your posts and agree with most of them..:)

    ct

  • DodgyPutter
    4,690 Posts
    Sat, Feb 12 2022 3:22 AM

    WGTNico:

    Since it is a feature that not many played, it is something that is on the back burner for now, it is still on our radar, but the team has other stuff that has their main focus right now.

    Half a dozen Ryder Cups, it's own tour, half a dozen ready-go's each rotation and credit brackets were some of the elements of this "feature".  What does not many played mean? Sam was wrong about the weekly tournament, the ready go's filled (some quite slowly and some quickly) the brackets were filled.   

    A green button saying "PLAY NOW" pushes folk toward the coin rooms yet there are 10 in Bellagio and Manhattan, 12 in Tokyo and 16 in Montreal. There are 158 logged in on steam, the 30 day average there is 183.  There aren't massive numbers anywhere.

    I can only speculate at the other stuff, and I'm sure the new Brimark range (of clothing of course, I wouldn't want to infer something to do with golf) is much anticipated. I did also try to touch on how it would be nice if some skill, course reading (like not going into bunkers), planning etc were more important to results within the game. 

    While I realise it's as much of an answer as I'm going to get I don't believe it was one that helped in any way.

    We have gone from: Will Uneven Lies come to the new WGT?

    Yes, however we're not sure exactly when yet. Unfortunately, we don't expect to have Uneven Lies added to WGT on PC before the end of the year.  

    16 months ago :-) To the above (back burners, radar and main focus)..

     

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