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• ct690911 7,205 Posts

  Sat, Apr 23 2022 12:55 PM

  "Understood, I wasn't disagreeing or disparaging what you said. I just found your example to be a contradiction, I was not insulting you and it was not personal, just was the way I saw it and I used that to add to the conversation. "

  Yeah. I did the same thing. All it did was get me a lecture and then she dropped me as a friend. Lesley is quite "sensitive" to any form of disagreement.

  That said, she loudly proclaims the right to free speech on here....whatever.

  ct

• PureGro1 1,656 Posts

  Sat, Apr 23 2022 12:58 PM

  BPeterson8256:

  PureGro1:

  High level players have to play in lower level rooms because they cant compete with high level players...

  I don't think that is always the case. I think there are many reasons players play the way they play. 

  I don't want to project my own opinions on to everyone, but there are many players who think coins are worthless and that don't like playing in coin rooms. Still, if those same players enjoy playing in the Clash, it is beneficial to upgrade their apparel in the fastest way possible. The fastest way to do this would be in single hole lower level coin rooms. It is not a matter of competing with equals as much as winning as many as fast as possible.

  In fairness I made that statement to explain why it thought it was an oxymoron, Not really a representation of how I feel about coin rooms in general. My views align with your own here- 

   

  BPeterson8256:

  I get what you are saying here, but there is an extremely poor payout in the EXPERT division (percentage wise) when compared to the VETERAN division. I have seen many of the very best players in the game playing in VETERAN. This is just one of the many reasons that a player might not be playing where YOU think they should be.

  Like all other competitions, if a player doesn't like the format, they shouldn't play. Participation will determine what stays and what goes. There is no reason to be mad or talk disparagingly about players who are playing a game they are eligible to play.

  If forced it would make the pool in expert bigger, No one plays expert because there are only a few that make the cut due to such low numbers of people playing that division.

  Im not saying "I" think anyone should or shouldn't play anywhere but hacks getting beat down by "Champs" in ROOKIE division is an issue and imo severely limits a new players fun and hence there growth.

  At the end of the day I care very little about this, and the SD is really just You vs You anyway- BUT I just think its a bad look to have Champs and tour champs, what one might call veterans and experts playing rookie division.

  It can be defended all day long but it still just looks like tiger showed up to your buddys 10$ a hole game.

   

• bossbird 2,232 Posts

  Sat, Apr 23 2022 1:04 PM

  ct690911:

  "Understood, I wasn't disagreeing or disparaging what you said. I just found your example to be a contradiction, I was not insulting you and it was not personal, just was the way I saw it and I used that to add to the conversation. "

  Yeah. I did the same thing. All it did was get me a lecture and then she dropped me as a friend. Lesley is quite "sensitive" to any form of disagreement.

  That said, she loudly proclaims the right to free speech on here....whatever.

  ct

  Still sore I didn’t want you as a friend ! I think you should look in the mirror occasionally too.

• bossbird 2,232 Posts

  Sat, Apr 23 2022 1:07 PM

  PureGro1:

  bossbird:

  Perhaps you would explain to me what an oxymoron is …… then I would know if you are referring to me , or yourself. !

  ox·y·mo·ron

  /ˌäksəˈmôrˌän/

  1. a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction (e.g. faith unfaithful kept him falsely true ).

  
  

  bossbird:

   All I am doing is explaining to the original poster , why he is encountering a lot of higher level players ,

  Understood, I wasn't disagreeing or disparaging what you said. I just found your example to be a contradiction, I was not insulting you and it was not personal, just was the way I saw it and I used that to add to the conversation. 

  bossbird:

   when even -10, -11 or -12 are not progressing into final rounds. What would encourage a tour master , for example to move out of rookie into veteran , when there is little hope of getting into final rounds ?

  Nothing, nor should it- I just personally dont think legends and above should be playing in the "Rookie" division. 

  I didn’t take your comments personally, just referred back to the original point of the question. I still dont see what I said was contradictory though , I was in veteran , couldn’t get through to final round , and don’t see why someone should go into a level where they know they can’t get to final round. Any it’s by the by , not relevant , only WGT can change the system , and only then if they want to ! 

• PureGro1 1,656 Posts

  Sun, Apr 24 2022 6:19 AM

  bossbird:

  I was in veteran , couldn’t get through to final round ,

  and don’t see why someone should go into a level where they know they can’t get to final round

  Right, that was kinda my point- If a TL is having trouble making cut at -10 to -12 How do you think the "low" level players feel when there is no lower level for them to go because the low level is full of players much better.

   

• callaghan159 6,365 Posts

  Sun, Apr 24 2022 10:07 AM

  ct690911:

  Yeah. I did the same thing. All it did was get me a lecture and then she dropped me as a friend. Lesley is quite "sensitive" to any form of disagreement.

  
  9 pm EST everybody meet at the virtual bar for a group hug.

• BOZskills 411 Posts

  Sun, Apr 24 2022 10:34 AM

  What if wgt, grouped the players entering the showdowns by tier? So no matter what division you enter(rookie,veteran,or expert),you wind up playing againist players at your own level.

• DodgyPutter 4,690 Posts

  Sun, Apr 24 2022 1:37 PM

  Robmontie65:

  Hi Chris

   

  Thank you for taking the time to read and reply.  It just destroys my confidence when I play them they all have drivers that go 300 yards, so on most par 5 they on the greens in 2 when it takes me at least 3.  I play the free comps that I can just need regular practice against opposition my own standard so I stand a chance of levelling up by winning.  I will look for a game that is fairer.  Also I rally struggle on the greens they are so unrealistic.  In real life I am really good at putting and reading greens.

  The above was written two days after you joined. At this point I think you should have expected to be outplayed, expected to have trouble reading the greens. Yet already you have generalisations about high tiers hitting most par 5's in two, playing in free comps etc.

  You are wrong that playing your own standard would help you level up (by winning).  That may help you tier up, levelling up is achieved through XP's.  XP's you get through just playing, consecutive days and many other ways most of which involve giving WGT money. 

  I also think asking about changing your flag would have been better than opening a new account.  If you haven't already, I'd inform WGT as to what you've done.

   

• ct690911 7,205 Posts

  Sun, Apr 24 2022 2:48 PM

  callaghan159:

  ct690911:

  Yeah. I did the same thing. All it did was get me a lecture and then she dropped me as a friend. Lesley is quite "sensitive" to any form of disagreement.

  
  9 pm EST everybody meet at the virtual bar for a group hug.

  I've read plenty about the maritime group gropes (I mean hugs). I think a simple hand shake will suffice...lol

• DodgyPutter 4,690 Posts

  Sun, Apr 24 2022 3:04 PM

  PureGro1:

  bossbird:

  I was in veteran , couldn’t get through to final round ,

  and don’t see why someone should go into a level where they know they can’t get to final round

  Right, that was kinda my point- If a TL is having trouble making cut at -10 to -12 How do you think the "low" level players feel when there is no lower level for them to go because the low level is full of players much better.

   

  How misleading talking about Veteran scores and the Rookie league.  The low level players you're talking about don't need -10 or -12 to make the cut.  In the Rookie leagues I've been in, one player at level par got through the qualifying round and three (of five) at -1 made the cut in the Elimination round.  Whatever anyone who managed that scores in the final round they'll got at least a ball and 1k coins for their 10c entry.

  As to me playing Rookie I'll give some of the other reasons (apart from not risking 100c on a buggy tournament that this is) even though I really couldn't care less (of course it's couldn't) what others think of them.

  All three are a gamble so it's up to us if we want to gamble and, if we do,  how much we want to spend doing that.  I have never gambled 1,000c on entering a tournament nor will I.  Even at the 100c level I don't think it's worth it when there's a chance of getting a +3.  10c with a chance of winning 400c and 9 balls, with some sort of prize easy to get is well worth it. The pay-out is proportionately much better in Rookie.

  I like playing my own tees. On which, there's been a fair bit of talk about how folk like me are disadvantaging lower tiers playing in Rookie, well at least we're all playing off our own tees.  If I have a lower tier tier player in my league elsewhere they don't get any yardage.

  My impression from reading is that some would like Legend and up banned from Rookie. Two things on that; previous complaints on the Showdown have been about multi's and the field would be more open to them.  Secondly there are many M and TM L100+ getting the advantage of equipment, yardage and, as they're often mobile players, good level apparel too.  Actually splitting it by level makes as much (or little) sense as doing it by tier.

  It's not a tiered competition.  Lol the op (65 and 89) both played the Live Series May open, should the higher tiers pull out of that too?