DodgyPutter:I tried the old wgt and preferred that. All this like it or lump it stuff is nonsense; we are customers and fully entitled to complain about the direction the game is taking/has taken. Incidentally I don't believe it's about flash going, they brought over what they wanted to
I never stated that we, as customers are not entitled to complain about the direction WGT has taken. I never intimated that the changes had anything to do with flash going away. In fact, I do not disagree, or wrote anything that conflicts with your statements.
My most recent (long) reply merely pointed out that WGT is serving what it believes its most profitable customer base and it not what I termed the "old timers". I also believe that, although we have the right to complaints, WGT is not going to take any measures to address those complaints (with the exception of those relating to glitches) and make changes to its product, unless of course it is something its target customer base demands. I do not believe most of us in these threads, and those who "grew up" on flash, are the target base.
DodgyPutter: The game may never have been a "true simulation", but it was a lot closer in the past.
I totally agree. You will get no argument from as to whether the "old" version was better. I miss the way the game was before this transition. I was playing the mobile version even when we had flash. I am a PC player (laptop) but, at same time, I was going on my phone, as there were "perks" available and it was the only way I could watch videos for credits. When I would go away, and was away from PC, I would use my phone to play. I always enjoyed the PC flash. I do not want to get into the mobile v PC argument, but I will say they are different.
It seems to me, all the updates, all the changes to the game have made it so the PC version is becoming more and more like the mobile version. I personally think it is these mobile users that comprise a majority of the targeted customer base. Do I like it, no. There is nothing I can do, and no matter how much I complain, nothing is going to make WGT take any action, other than that which will shorten the gap between mobile and PC versions. Someday. maybe sooner than I think, the two versions will become one. That is the day, many of us will just stop playing - IMO.
DodgyPutter: Is it or is it about wgt's Discord server? There is a difference.
Agreed. I admit, reading over how I stated things, I should have been more specific. I did mean WGT's Discord server (primarily).
I never used Discord before. I avoided it and never was interested in using it. Like I stated, "I saw no reason to even dip my toes in discord, although I have friends that have, for a long time, insisted I use discord, even before WGT set up its server. My position has always been that Discord is not for me"
My first exposure to discord was WGT server and my impression, as is yours, as I had also stated:
"Some of the reasons discord is not "all that":
1. Too many in general chat room that it is difficult to carry on a conversation or keep a constant thought with so many chatting over each other or deviating off topic. Ask a question, who knows what you will get back in reply;
2. Not too many specific "chat rooms" - so, for many things, have to post in the general chat area where everyone is chatting over each other and where "meme speak" is the first language....
3. At times, it has been said, it is more ;a chat room for one club, or another and people feel unwelcome to join in conversation"
DodgyPutter: why is it commonly said that Discord is better for real time conversations? What stops them happening here? And that is genuine curiosity
Having used discord a lot of longer than me, I would think you already know the answer. Discord is real time conversations. The moment you post, there is an immediate reply. It is more like texting from your phone. Further, if you wish, you can talk to your friends, as if on the phone. You cannot do that here. Here, you post, assuming you are not on moderation, your post shows up right away. Others then, at some point in time, reply. Maybe immediately, maybe in few hours, days, etc... Certainly, if you have members that happen to all be on at same time and have nothing to do but stay in thread window, repeatedly hitting refresh, you can have "real time" chat. It does seem to me, one is definitely better for that, than the other.
Further, with discord, even when you are in a game, or working, if discord is open in the background, and a friend gives a "shout out" you hear a "ping" and can immediately respond. I do find it nice, if in game, and get a invite, that I can quickly open the discord and send a message..."I am on 15th hole, etc...". Just my opinion, and preference. Note, this has nothing to do with WGT server, but goes to an advantage that Discord has overall, as to communication.
My OP was trying to provide an objective view. I do see how it confuses WGT server and discord overall.
So, for the record:
I am not keen on WGT Discord server "General" chat room. As of now, at this time, it often seems like a chat room for one club along with a few prolific "meme" masters. I believe there are far more "trolls" and "spammers" in there than the threads.
I do like having our club specific server. There are also a few non "WGT" servers that consist of large amounts of members who communicate and set up games, tournaments, etc. There is a lot that goes on in these private set up servers and they seem more member friendly.
DodgyPutter: I still maintain there is more written, more help, in the forum. The suggestion that if people want (to know/complain about or whatever) something from a mod' they should post in Discord rather than wgt's own forum is both ridiculous and true.
Please show me where I said something to the contrary. I am in total agreement that the forums are better means of providing help, exchange information, ideas, entertainment. I think, for me, the forums are 1000 times better than WGT discord.
Notwithstanding, imo, although the Forum, as I have been told, is not going away, there is no question in my mind, WGT is not really interested about the forums and would have no problem if it disappeared completely. Will that happen, probably not. My point being, we are not the target customer base. The new user is about bells & whistles, free things you have to pay to get, the new generation of social media addicts. IMO
Do I like the way the game has changed? No.
Am I personally sold on Discord? No.
DodgyPutter: The suggestion that if people want (to know/complain about or whatever) something from a mod' they should post in Discord rather than wgt's own forum is both ridiculous and true
Agreed.
DodgyPutter:
HamdenPro: So, how about that Discord?
Mine is fine.
That is good to hear. Mine is not. I like our club server, but I do not like that the only reason I am there is to make it easier to communicate with friends. The simple fact is, I have more friends that do not use discord than those that do. I actually use PMs on profile pages to communicate with friends more than Discord. This, Dodgy, you know is true.
BTW, I got your PM this morning and then came here to reply to your post - LOL. So, no need to say sorry, I do not really believe we are in disagreement about anything, unless I am missing your points. If I am, please send me a PM. :)
(The reason I ended "How's your discord?" in last post, was to try to bring thread back to discord, and to be a little funny. Maybe I missed the mark on both).