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Does the hole get smaller?

• tnivka 139 Posts

  Fri, Jul 14 2023 10:59 PM

  Please forgive the basic questions; I just never had the courage to ask. Assuming multi-player stroke play:

  Green speed is determined by the highest level player in the group, but tops out at 13/Tour Legend. What happens when you play against even higher levels? Does the wind go nuts? The hole gets smaller? Is that determined by the highest rated player or by the host? Or by chance? Just having a hard time accepting that Tour Legends and Tour Champions play the same course. Thanks.

• HamdenPro 2,483 Posts

  Tue, Jul 25 2023 4:56 PM

  tnivka:

  The hole gets smaller?

  I have always believed that the hole size is smaller at the higher tiers. I do not believe the hole is smaller for a lower tier, if playing a higher tier, I believe the hole is different size for higher tiers even when playing lower tiers, kind of like default tees depending on tier.

  Then again, I believe in VEM too and the only person I know who disagrees with me is on moderation, so, my presumption is safe for the moment.

   

• TopShelf2010 10,901 Posts

  Tue, Jul 25 2023 5:30 PM

  HamdenPro:

  my presumption is safe for the moment

  I would like to comment here however I am afraid if I question the results of the primary I might find myself on moderation as well

   

  Don

• HamdenPro 2,483 Posts

  Tue, Jul 25 2023 6:16 PM

  TopShelf2010:

  I might find myself on moderation as well

  I have a button and not afraid to use it...

  

• MioKontic 4,653 Posts

  Tue, Jul 25 2023 6:37 PM

  I'm only a TL, so I cannot guarantee what I say is 100% accurate, maybe a C and/or TC could confirm...

  I'm pretty sure the hole size remains the same for all tiers, simply because it's a photograph.  I don't believe WGT resize the hole within their software for different tiers.  As far as I know, course conditions, green speed, tees, and anything else, is the same for all tiers from Tour Legend upwards.  In fact, the only difference between Legend and the higher tiers is the green speed; I think Legend greens are speed Tournament 12.

  I think I'm right in saying that Championship 14 green speed is reserved for major tournaments (maybe even just the final stage of a major tournament), and the weekly 9-hole Nation tournament for TL's and upwards.

  Why then, you may ask, do we have Champion and Tour Champion tiers if everything is the same as Tour Legend?  It's simply for the exact same reason the Tour Legend tier was introduced - because there were too many players at Legend tier and so the tiers became unbalanced.  As more players move into the Tour Champion tier I'm sure WGT will once again need to create one or two more new tiers to thin out the TC tier.

• SoCalJim23 430 Posts

  Wed, Jul 26 2023 7:28 PM

  Post deleted by me......Jim.

• MioKontic 4,653 Posts

  Sat, Jul 29 2023 5:37 PM

  SoCalJim23:

  But about a week ago.....I managed to hit a 280.59 Yard "Double-Eagle" on the #2 Hole (Par 5) on the Grand Slam Tournament...and I was using a WGT Free Ball.  Then, the following day, I hit another "Double Eagle" of about 243.0 Yards (same hole & course)........so, "NO"...the hole is definitely not getting "smaller"

  That is no proof that the hole is not getting smaller; the hole could be a couple of millimetres bigger than the ball and it will still go in.  The fact you got those two albatrosses was 95% luck, increasing to 99.5% when using a starter ball.  It's no different to a hole in one.

  SoCalJim23:

  It just takes a LOT of Ranked Rounds, descent clubs & balls

  Damn it!  That's where I'm going wrong, I use Ascent clubs and balls  :)

• SoCalJim23 430 Posts

  Sun, Jul 30 2023 10:13 AM

  Post deleted by me......................Jim.

• SoCalJim23 430 Posts

  Sun, Jul 30 2023 2:08 PM

  Post deleted by me.......Jim.

  
  

• SimonTheBeetle 3,638 Posts

  Sun, Jul 30 2023 5:45 PM

  MioKontic:

  SoCalJim23:

  It just takes a LOT of Ranked Rounds, descent clubs & balls

  Damn it!  That's where I'm going wrong, I use Ascent clubs and balls  :)

  LMAO That explains lots of up & downs altogether! ;)