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Putter Question

• BillyTBudMan 100 Posts

  Wed, Nov 30 2011 10:43 AM

  Im thinking about upgrading my putting device, but am having some difficulty with the decision.  I use the lvl 44 Redwood, and have grown accustomed to putting by the scales/avatar movements.  I was thinking about upgrading to the 66 Ghost, but have noticed the putting increments are different, and am assuming so are the scales per the avatar movements.  Then i thought maybe to upgrade to the 72 Redwood.  Assuming that the scales/movements stay the same, all i would have to contend with is a bit faster meter.  But, my question on that move is whether the improved stats of the club are worth the increased meter speed. 

  So there are 3 questions to be answered:

  1)  Im sure many have changed putters which also changed scales,  how much time does it take to get used to the new movement increments?

  2)  has anyone stuck with the Redwood who putts using the movement method?  Is the meter speed a big deal?  Is it worth upgrading to get a bit better stats (the club stats that is)?

  3) which is the better putter?  66 ghost or 72 redwood?

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Wed, Nov 30 2011 11:46 AM

  BillyTBudMan:

  I was thinking about upgrading to the 66 Ghost, but have noticed the putting increments are different, and am assuming so are the scales per the avatar movements.

  Yes, they are. The Ghost goes 15  25  50  100  150  300. I have used both Redwoods and made the switch to the Ghost at level 84 and 92 and have used the avatar move method from day 1.

  I would switch to the 66 Ghost right now for 2 reasons. #1, I had a lot of trouble maintaining consistency with the 2nd Redwood. It was tighter than the first Redwood and the faster meter made it a little tougher. Had I not traded in the earlier version, I would have stayed with it (the 66 Ghost wasn't out yet.)  #2, The best putter, IMO the 92 Ghost (the Daytona is also as popular,) has the same scales. So unless you're committed to the Redwood forever, making the switch now would make sense. I found the scales to be similar and not a real issue once you learned them. Breaking old habits was harder.

  PugsAce does a good job putting with the 2nd Redwood and I believe he uses the moves too.  GL

   

• BillyTBudMan 100 Posts

  Wed, Nov 30 2011 12:40 PM

  YankeeJim of infinite wisdom...what might the scales be for the ghost?  I agree with the idea of switching now, as ive not heard good things about the second redwood.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Wed, Nov 30 2011 1:46 PM

  I'm assuming you are talking about the values for each move.  On what are supposed to be Legend speed greens I use  8  15   15   18  21  43. I putt by feel a lot so knowing what scale to use on, say a 32 foot putt, depends on the obvious things-2 moves on either 15 scale or cancel the 2nd on the 18 scale-that sort of feel.

  ThreeSpot put together a nice chart here.

• Yoda79 697 Posts

  Wed, Nov 30 2011 2:14 PM

  Hello there BillyTBudMan. It's almost as if I am talking to myself from about 6 months ago! I was in your very shoes (well figuratively anyways...lol) with the level 44 Redwood and wanting to upgrade it. But what putter to choose from? I don't remember which one's were available to me, but I remember I had the level 72 Redwood was an option as was the Daytona. The Ghost might of been there, not sure. Anyways, I had the same question as you. Would the faster meter speed be a problem for me? Well my friend, I can tell you that for ME, it was not. It took a very limited amount of time for me to get used to it. Now that might also have something to do with the way I putt. For example if I have a 12ft putt, then I use the 90ft scale to putt, because one avatar movement with that scale is 12ft. The reason I tell you that is because the less you have to pull back on the meter the slower it will be. Now I have tried the Ghost putter, but I found that I am too attached to the meter increments of the Redwood to change. So it's my opinion that you go for the level 72 Redwood.  

  BillyTBudMan:

  1)  Im sure many have changed putters which also changed scales,  how much time does it take to get used to the new movement increments?

  I would say once you break down the meter increments for each scale to find out how many feet are equal to each avatar movement I would say maybe a week or so to become fully comfortable with it. That would vary from person to person. When I tried the Ghost putter I don't think I gave it ample time to learn it. So I would say if you go with the Ghost putter then give it at least a week. 

  BillyTBudMan:

  2)  has anyone stuck with the Redwood who putts using the movement method?  Is the meter speed a big deal?  Is it worth upgrading to get a bit better stats (the club stats that is)?

  Yes, I have. No, not really. You hardly notice it if you putt the way I explained above. Oh and I also move my aiming marker as well. And your third question, hmmmm, good one! I would say in the long run, yes. It has certainly helped. But if you can't read the break, then it won't matter what your using.

  BillyTBudMan:

  3) which is the better putter?  66 ghost or 72 redwood?

  It's debatable. Ghost owners would probably say the Ghost putter is. I would say the Redwood is. So I don't think one putter has any one real big advantage over another. It just comes down to personal preference. 

  And finally one last thought for ya. If the meter speed is all your worried about with the Redwood, then why not rent it and take it for a test drive? You already use the level 44 Redwood and you know the meter increments. they are exactly the same with the level 72 Redwood. So go out and test it. Well I hope this has shed some light on your dilemma. Good luck to ya.

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• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Wed, Nov 30 2011 5:05 PM

  Yoda79:

  but I found that I am too attached to the meter increments of the Redwood to change. So it's my opinion that you go for the level 72 Redwood.

  This is exactly why I think he should bite the bullet and learn the new scales now. The 2nd Redwood is never going to be as accurate as the 92 Ghost and if he already knows the scales by the time he gets to that level there won't be a learning curve to speak of. 

  Meter speed is never an issue with any type of ball when you putt avatar move style. What I didn't like about the 2nd Redwood was it didn't putt well by missing to aim compared to the earlier version. The 92 Ghost doesn't either. IDK about the 66 Ghost.

• ihartyou 692 Posts

  Wed, Nov 30 2011 5:44 PM

  the daytona is also a really nice putter this putter is also cheaper has meter incrimints of 15,30,60,90,150,300 i think it was i used it before i changed to ghost but they are both great putters.

  abbey :)

• BillyTBudMan 100 Posts

  Fri, Dec 2 2011 8:14 AM

  YJ & Yoda...you both have very valid arguments.  I feel inclined to take what i see to be the easy way out and stick with the Redwood, as im so used to the scales i feel like the meter would be much easier to master rather than learning all new movements for the ghost.  With that said, going with the ghost is the smarter move, is it is a more long term solution (based on what clubs are in the pro shop now).  Meaning to learn the new scales now, as YJ has said, would help me down the road when i get to level 92 for the other Ghost.  I will say the one thing i don't like about the ghost are the movement increments (assuming YJ is right) with the second second through fourth are only 6 feet apart (8  15   15   18  21  43)  Whereas the Redwood increments is use are 6, 6, 9, 13, 16, 33).   For some reason i still use the values i learned on Very Fast greens, even though i barely ever play them, so i guess i putt a little by feel and mostly by the scales.  I guess that values are probably closer to (6, 7, 10, 14, 19, 38).  Even still, i like the range of distances, and usually get pretty close using only 2 movements on any scale depending on the length of the putt, which i don't see happening with the Ghost scales.

  So i'm leaning towards the Redwood (sorry Jim) at this point.  However, i know that whichever i choose, should i even choose to upgrade, not to expect putts to start dropping from 30 ft all the time.  I'm going to stick it out with what i have for now, see how things go.  Thanks to all for the advice.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Fri, Dec 2 2011 10:15 AM

  Heh-Nothing to be sorry for , Billy. You're using what works for you and by your description it sounds like you're doing as much "feeling" as actual calculating and that comes from knowing your putter. As long as you give yourself time to learn whatever you buy you can't go wrong. I'll check back when you get to 92 to see how you're doing.  ;-)

• Yoda79 697 Posts

  Fri, Dec 2 2011 12:51 PM

  I'll second what YJ said. Whatever you purchase, provided you give it time and learn it, you'll be fine. So you'll be perfectly fine with either putter. YJ does have a point with switching putters now, rather than later as you'll be too used to the meter increments of the Redwood. So maybe the Ghost would be the better choice in the long run. But if you can read the break of a green then either one of those putters you'll be just fine. I'm just a big believer in "if it ain't broke why fix it". So if your comfortable with the Redwood and it's meter increments then I would just stay with that and just upgrade to the level 72 one once you get there. Well whatever you do, I wish you all the luck in the world. Take care!

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