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Are they truly that good, or do they have help?

Fri, Dec 9 2011 6:05 AM (57 replies)
  • TeeWade
    1,216 Posts
    Thu, Dec 8 2011 7:23 PM

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  • jakestanfill7
    949 Posts
    Thu, Dec 8 2011 7:40 PM

    PRIESTESS:
    I have an idea.:) why dont some top players live stream a ready go,Now here is the catch:),We could make it a challenge also,The quickest live streamed ready go ( 9) holes is the winner,So if you live stream yourself and it takes11 mins and you have 5 birds ,you deduct 30 seconds for each birdie and 1 min off for an eagle,So 9 holes played Ranked ready go,11 mins minus 2.5 mins for 5 birds =8.5 mins total.Anyone interested,:)

    Love the idea my darling Tess.  Let's do it.  I can't stream because you know the state of my meter but willing to bet I'd be in the running in a speed match.  Guess I could video and post it...lol...almost like going back to the days of the VCR.

  • TeeWade
    1,216 Posts
    Thu, Dec 8 2011 9:04 PM

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  • IvaThongon
    933 Posts
    Thu, Dec 8 2011 9:44 PM

    Well, I'm not gonna bother reading every post, but I will comment on the original.

    I am a tour master. Some days, I seem to have everything figured out, and I play pretty well. Some days, not so much. I have many friends that are legends or other TMs, and I can tell you that they all seem like just really consistent players. They all put in the time. They all know the courses. They really are that good. I play just for myself. I don't play for credits, I don't ask for anything from anyone (well, a little advice here and there), and I don't take or make any notes on the game. I think I play fairly well, but I know I don't take it seriously like others do, so I expect them to be that much better. I also don't really think that "average" or scores are very indicative. I'm not exactly sure how the average thing works, but it seems like only scores that better your average count toward that average. Further, since people are free to quit a round without posting, the average is kind of doubly pointless in my opinion. It is what we have as a yardstick, however, so I will use it to illustrate.

    I am going to make a small example, and I hope he does not mind me mentioning him, but I do it only to illustrate. When I think of the upper tier of all of WGT, obviously certain names come to everyone's mind, because they are consistent in their play and have won big when it counted (like the Opens). So, I will use Bollox as an example. I have never played with him in a game, however, I have read a number of the accounts he has posted of rounds with others. His recall of the game is stellar, his shot selections and why he does them seem sound. I'm sure he has a pile of notes on every hole that WGT has, and uses those to his advantage. And, he has played a ton of games. 

    Currently, my average is about 64, and realistically, I think I shoot an average of about 66/67. I'm not sure what Bollox's average is, but let's say it is 58, and for argument sake, suppose he realistically shoots an average of about 60/61. That makes him about a 6 stroke "better" player than me. Considering I don't take notes or even play very seriously, if he and I were to play, I would expect him to shoot about a half stroke better than me per hole. Over 18 holes, that is 9 strokes. That really doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility to me at all. 

    I mean, when you open anything up to "gambling", I'm sure there are those working ways to have some advantage. I'm not naive enough to think otherwise. However, it just seems to me that for the amount of time and effort one would have to put in just to make credits, and then turn those into something tangible, wouldn't a second job make up that tangible stuff a lot more quickly and efficiently?

    In closing, and trying to get back on point, I really doubt it is a big problem in the legend ranks. I have played with many, and they always seem to play well, play in a timely fashion, are courteous and helpful, and just really have a knack for this game. Sorry if I rambled or am not responding in the spirit of the original post, it has been a long day.

    Merry Christmas!

    Seacrest out! LMAO

  • renniw52
    5,385 Posts
    Fri, Dec 9 2011 5:18 AM

    Well said Iva, I agree 100%. I'm currently working on a string of bad days back to back to back. And some of  the better players are giving me tips, and trying to get me back in the groove. Thank goodness for friends on here.

    Merry Christmas too you and yours

    Rich

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Fri, Dec 9 2011 5:51 AM

    TeeWade:
    But when two shots are taken and identical according to the hole played, the club used, the ding hit (supposedly the perfect shot), and totally different results are given. That is not realistic golf. This is a game and should be remembered that it is only a game. Nothing online will EVER come close to realistic golf as I've never seen the exact same shot taken and gotten the exact same result in real golf.

    This is what frustrates me about whatever you're trying to say. You contradict yourself in back to back sentences. I have no truck with you believing whatever you want but when you slam the effort WGT is making by making rash judgments  and try to compare it to another game you think is more realistic, it doesn't wash.

    Links was realistic. Everybody used the same balls and clubs, there was no distinction. Your success depended on knowing how to play golf to include everything from green softness to sidehill lies. You had to know how to adjust stance, club face angle and swing plane, just like the real thing. That was as real as a game could get but you can't compare something you buy and install on your computer to an online game.

    IMO, having played golf sims for 20 years, this comes as close to real as possible given the effort it takes to be good at it. If, and when, lie factoring comes into play it will be that much more real. 

    It helps to have an imagination and not get caught up in the inner workings of how the game is constructed and just believe you're actually out on the course. Then on the 19th hole we can share a Molson XXX or 4.  ;-)

  • TeeWade
    1,216 Posts
    Fri, Dec 9 2011 6:05 AM

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