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Tue, Jan 10 2012 9:28 PM (33 replies)
  • b0geybuster
    2,574 Posts
    Mon, Dec 12 2011 9:31 PM

    CMcCartney727:
    Actually, nevermind.. I figured it out... it's because I started on 10 and had the AUDACITY to make an eagle on the very first hole!  I'd forgotten that... my bad..

    Yep that has everything to do with the outcome of your game play.   Or was it you?  Nope it couldnt have been, could it?  Guess not!

    Cheers,

    b0gey

  • CMcCartney727
    1,417 Posts
    Mon, Dec 12 2011 10:19 PM

    b0geybuster:

    Yep that has everything to do with the outcome of your game play.   Or was it you?  Nope it couldnt have been, could it?  Guess not!

    Cheers,

    b0gey

    Correct me if I'm wrong here (and I'm sure you will!), but if the wind is directly with or against and you aim the ball at the flag and ding the shot, it should end up in the general vicinity of the hole, right?  I"m pretty sure that's how this aiming thing works...

    If you're one of those who think the game is perfect and I'm making this all up... Cheers!!!!

  • b0geybuster
    2,574 Posts
    Tue, Dec 13 2011 7:33 AM

    The game is programmed that way.  Its not that hard to comprehend.  If the clubs we had 100% precision and forgiveness, then yes i would expect the ball to go exactly as planned on every ding.  I know it can be frustrating, but why all the rants on the forums for something that is programmed.

    Secondly, camera angle have a huge impact on how to aim.  

    I dont think your making it up!

    read this.....

    http://www.wgt.com/forums/p/14040/86933.aspx#86933

    why doesnt anyone rant when then miss the ding and the ball goes in the cup?

     

    Cheers,

    b0gey

  • CMcCartney727
    1,417 Posts
    Tue, Dec 13 2011 10:10 AM

    Interesting article, thanks... I do think that's how the game should work, but count me as someone who sees 'gremlins' pop up more than occassionally in the middle of a good round, particulary in RG's.  I get that the ball isn't going to go in the hole on every shot.  Eagle on 10, then two dinged shots directly into a 4 mph wind and one misses 20 feet left, the other is 20 feet right.   That seems extreme.. and two holes in a row... 

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Tue, Dec 13 2011 10:10 AM

    b0geybuster:
    why doesnt anyone rant when then miss the ding and the ball goes in the cup?

    I think part of the problem is that the clubs and their relative forgiveness' has created a bit of a monster. You get to the point where you have reasonable expectations because that's the way it's been working and then the negative side of missing shows up, almost like whatever deviation variable that's adjustable got cranked up a little. IDK if there even is such a thing in use.

    I've seen some mildly different results of shots in the past few days myself but I always attribute it to me making a mental error or missing the ding. That is to say, they are usually explainable but lately there's been a couple that get the wtf was that call.

  • DarSum
    1,440 Posts
    Tue, Dec 13 2011 12:28 PM

    ChronicDiarrhea:

    I think I remember a post by WGTNIV awhile back.  He mentioned that if the useful remaining life of your ball is in the red, there is a greater likelihood of having a larger deviation.

    I bring this up because of witnessing some odd behavior from my nearly expended Calloway last night.  Like previous posters above, a narrowly mishit ball would end up in places of the golf course I did not expect to find it.  This is just my observation and opinion and not the opinion of WGT.

    Regards,

    -CD

     

    I've had some of my best rounds with the ball in the red. Actually hate to see it used up when I'm playing so well with it.

  • ForrestLeigh
    264 Posts
    Tue, Dec 13 2011 1:38 PM

    b0geybuster:

    The game is programmed that way.  Its not that hard to comprehend.  If the clubs we had 100% precision and forgiveness, then yes i would expect the ball to go exactly as planned on every ding.  I know it can be frustrating, but why all the rants on the forums for something that is programmed.

    Secondly, camera angle have a huge impact on how to aim.  

    I dont think your making it up!

    read this.....

    http://www.wgt.com/forums/p/14040/86933.aspx#86933

    why doesnt anyone rant when then miss the ding and the ball goes in the cup?

     

    Cheers,

    b0gey

    Very interesting post - but isn't this important

    The shot data is spread out amongst all users, so there will be times when you run into a lot of "edge cases" (aka deviations, aka outside edge of the precision circle) and times where you seemingly can't miss the center (even when you mishit).  This is the ebb and flow of the game and it's always been there.  In the short term you will have "bad" days and "good" days.  

    Its not the random effect we think it is - its admitted in this post you will have good and bad days - no matter how well you play its been programmed into your round

    If this is correct then surely that can't be right? you can play poorly miss the dings and if its your day you'll still score good, if its not your day you can play well - correct club, distance, ding but still always be on the edge of the deviation

     

  • CMcCartney727
    1,417 Posts
    Tue, Dec 13 2011 8:34 PM

    ForrestLeigh:

      In the short term you will have "bad" days and "good" days.  

    Its not the random effect we think it is - its admitted in this post you will have good and bad days - no matter how well you play its been programmed into your round

     

    Are we talking about good and bad days or good and bad shots?  The random 'wtf' shots happen once in a while, but should they be in bunches or is it all random?

    CM

  • jakestanfill7
    949 Posts
    Tue, Dec 13 2011 9:07 PM

    Cmc,

    Been at this for quite a while at a fairly high level of play.  I don't for a second believe that the game sees you playing well and decided to make it harder or deviate more all of the sudden just to screw you.  How the heck do people score, myself included, shoot 25-27 from the Legend tees?

    That said, I too see some wild deviations from time to time in the 15 -20 yard range.  Those are very rare but they happen.  Deviations seem to come in waves.  Wish there was a cap set to max out at around 3 a side but we all have to deal with it.  I had a spell a month or two ago just like you speak of when I was almost better served to mishit than ding.  Seemed like a third of the shots I hit for a week weren't within the same area code they should have been.

    Best advice I can give is just to brush up on your putts from the 20-30 foot range.  That's the big disparity you see in scores.  Those that can rebound from devs and meter spikes by nailing the long testers rise to the top.  Recently had a wild night of meter spikes and devs but also nailed 195 feet worth of putts on 9 holes to shoot 27 and win the ready go.

  • ForrestLeigh
    264 Posts
    Wed, Dec 14 2011 5:23 AM

    jakestanfill7:

    Cmc,

    Been at this for quite a while at a fairly high level of play.  I don't for a second believe that the game sees you playing well and decided to make it harder or deviate more all of the sudden just to screw you.  How the heck do people score, myself included, shoot 25-27 from the Legend tees?

    That said, I too see some wild deviations from time to time in the 15 -20 yard range.  Those are very rare but they happen.  Deviations seem to come in waves.  Wish there was a cap set to max out at around 3 a side but we all have to deal with it.  I had a spell a month or two ago just like you speak of when I was almost better served to mishit than ding.  Seemed like a third of the shots I hit for a week weren't within the same area code they should have been.

    Best advice I can give is just to brush up on your putts from the 20-30 foot range.  That's the big disparity you see in scores.  Those that can rebound from devs and meter spikes by nailing the long testers rise to the top.  Recently had a wild night of meter spikes and devs but also nailed 195 feet worth of putts on 9 holes to shoot 27 and win the ready go.

    I may be wrong has been known lol but this is from the quote about deviation

    The shot data is spread out amongst all users, so there will be times when you run into a lot of "edge cases" (aka deviations, aka outside edge of the precision circle) and times where you seemingly can't miss the center (even when you mishit).  This is the ebb and flow of the game and it's always been there.  In the short term you will have "bad" days and "good" days. 

    to me that reads that there is a percentage of shots determined in your round (maybe over a day or a tournament, I don't know).

    If the data determines that 50% of shots will be the edge case, 25% will be inside and 25% will be spot on what the post is basically saying is that maybe the 25% spot on data has been used, and whats left is 10% of inside shots and 50% of edge shots, so expect to be further from the pin than usual (and if you miss the ding on edge shots you're even further away.)

    That probably explains why some days you hit great rounds, the next you can't hit a bucket and if this is the case - isn't that wrong? your shot outcome is already affected by 'shot data'

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