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Scoring in the 50's

• DAZZA501 5,972 Posts

  Wed, Jul 4 2012 3:51 PM

  The top guns do get problems. They just don't complain about it because they've accepted that that's the way the game is and get over it. It's all about the recovery play. Where the mere mortals will get bogey or worse after a problem, the top guns will work out the best way to get par and move on.

• RickySam 53 Posts

  Wed, Jul 4 2012 3:59 PM

  I've been wanting to say something about the scores in the 50s for a while. I do not begrudge those who can shoot WGT scores in the 50s, after all, this is not real golf, it is a video game. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy the WGT game. I find it to be be pretty accurate.  Still, it is all about mainly hand / eye coordination and doing some computations to allow for wind, rough, etc. 

  As I have played, I have lowered my scoring average. On an 18 hole round on WGT,  I usually shoot from upper 60s to lower 70s. On a really good day, I might do better and on a bad day, I might do worse. I find that my scores are more in tune with what the PGA Tour golfers do on a regular basis. And that is just fine. I couldn't go out and shoot my WGT average in real life golf, and I KNOW that those who regularly score in the 50s on WGT couldn't do it in real golf. If they could, they need to be on the Tour. Scores of 59 are pretty rare in the history of the PGA Tour.

  I guess what I'm trying to say is that this is a video game and that the low scores (50s) are to be expected, but yet, are unrealistic relating to real golf. If one spends enough time clicking and figuring and getting the upper level equipment, then the low scores are a natural result. After all, it's software and a computer.

  I do not shy away from competition (say match play or alt shot) with Legend tier golfers.  What I try to avoid are the open tourneys where the Legend tier folks tend to dominate. I know I can't compete on a shot for shot basis with them. Yet.

  Just for what it's worth......

   

• thebigeasy707 5,885 Posts

  Wed, Jul 4 2012 4:04 PM

  DAZZA501:

   It's all about the recovery play. Where the mere mortals will get bogey or worse after a problem, the top guns will work out the best way to get par and move on.

  yups

   

  Sand Save % 81.31%

  Scrambling % 79.52%

  these are the things which save strokes.

  even if i hit sand or deep rough....if the pin's in range i still see a birdie.

  sometimes it turns out to be a cuckoo though.

  tbe

   

• CerinoDevoti 3,232 Posts

  Wed, Jul 4 2012 4:16 PM

  DAZZA501:

  The top guns do get problems. They just don't complain about it because they've accepted that that's the way the game is and get over it. It's all about the recovery play. Where the mere mortals will get bogey or worse after a problem, the top guns will work out the best way to get par and move on.

  Really? ;-)

• nissanman83 11 Posts

  Wed, Jul 4 2012 5:10 PM

  Here is how i see it. How low could the real pros score if they played the same course under the same conditions 1000 times? Of course thats not possible in real life but it is here. 

• JaLaBar 1,254 Posts

  Thu, Jul 5 2012 12:43 AM

  genorb:

  It seems obvious to me that if changes are made such as those who are shooting in the mid 50 are then shooting 10 strokes more, it will be roughly the same for everyone. You will add 10 strokes to everyone in average.

  As others have said, even worse, because what adds 5 strokes to a top player's score is likely to add 7, 8, 10? to a lesser players score.

   

  genorb:

  I really don't get this. You want the fields to even up. What about skill then... If today one guy is shooting 5 strokes less in average then another guy, why should they shoot the same from one day to another because of some changes made in the game??

  Now we get to the crux of the issue.  Real world golf in CCs use handicaps to even things out, which I have never understood.  If Player A is better than Player B, he should beat Player B.  What did Player B do to deserve to be given strokes?  Then again, I feel the same way about the tier-based tee boxes.  Until there is tier-based equipment, tee boxes should be uniform.  If a Pro can use all my equipment, he should hit from my tees.

  Maybe the NBA can start widening the basket for lesser teams?  Maybe the NFL can start giving the better teams only three downs to get first downs?  Maybe MLB can have the Nationals pitch from 20' behind all the other teams?  (Sorry, couldn't resist.... they've fallen off a little from earlier this season when they had the second-best pitching staff WAR in baseball history).

• DarSum 1,440 Posts

  Thu, Jul 5 2012 7:23 AM

  JaLaBar:

  Now we get to the crux of the issue.  Real world golf in CCs use handicaps to even things out, which I have never understood.  If Player A is better than Player B, he should beat Player B.  What did Player B do to deserve to be given strokes?  Then again, I feel the same way about the tier-based tee boxes.  Until there is tier-based equipment, tee boxes should be uniform.  If a Pro can use all my equipment, he should hit from my tees.

  If Player A has a 5 handicap and Player B has a 9 handicap then Player B gets 4 strokes in that round. The strokes are given on the #6, #7, #8 and #9 handicap holes (assuming it's stroke play).

  I've played in quite a few men's clubs with weekly matches and year end tournaments. There's a wide variety of skill in most men's clubs. You have to implement handicaps or there would be no parity.

  That is the issue with WGT. There is no parity when Legends are required to hit from the black tees and lower tiers hit from the upper tees using the same equipment.

  IMO, the equipment is WGTs handicap system. But it's failed because of the way they allow you to not move up in tiers by not playing ranked rounds. But allow you to move up in levels to gain better equipment. It really makes no sense.

  A real life WGT match between two 5 handicappers would be for one of those players to hit from one tee forward 6 or 7 times during the match. While the other guy is still hitting from the original tees they started on.

  Disparity.

• JaLaBar 1,254 Posts

  Thu, Jul 5 2012 10:23 AM

  I didn't mean I don't understand how handicaps work.  What I mean is, why?  The best players SHOULD win.  If you aren't as good as the next guy, you shouldn't be given strokes so that you can beat him.  You should just lose.

  In sports parity means equalizing the draft.  It does not mean that since the Patriots are better than the Buccaneers, the Buccaneers get 14 points to start.  In golf, it could mean everyone uses the same equipment.   But it shouldn't mean the weaker players get extra strokes.  

  Question:  Why doesn't Fred Funk start tournaments with a stroke advantage over Tiger Woods?  Answer:  That would be silly.  All other things (save skill and experience) being equal, all other things should be equal.

   

• DarSum 1,440 Posts

  Thu, Jul 5 2012 11:52 AM

  JaLaBar:

  I didn't mean I don't understand how handicaps work.  What I mean is, why?  The best players SHOULD win.  If you aren't as good as the next guy, you shouldn't be given strokes so that you can beat him.  You should just lose.

  You're not given strokes so you can beat him. You're given stroke to EQUAL him.

  JaLaBar:

  In sports parity means equalizing the draft.  It does not mean that since the Patriots are better than the Buccaneers, the Buccaneers get 14 points to start.  In golf, it could mean everyone uses the same equipment.   But it shouldn't mean the weaker players get extra strokes.  

  Team sports are not the same as individual sports. Handicapping does come into the mix when there is betting involved though. Leveling the competition. Correct?

  JaLaBar:

  Question:  Why doesn't Fred Funk start tournaments with a stroke advantage over Tiger Woods?  

  I believe once you become a PGA member you are required by the PGA to enter tournaments as a scratch golfer.

  How fun would it be for either the 14 handicapper or the 2 handicapper to play each other in a men's club match or tournament? IMO not very much fun for either one. The 14 handicapper gets dominated almost every time. Which sucks. And the 2 handicapper isn't having much fun with no competition. Hence, handicaps. Parity.

• JaLaBar 1,254 Posts

  Thu, Jul 5 2012 2:02 PM

  If you say so.... as far as I'm concerned, if you give me 8 strokes, and I shoot 1 better than you, I didn't win by 1, I lost by 7.  If a player can delude themselves into believing they have won a competition in which their opponent shot much better than they did, more power to them.  If they are intellectually dishonest enough to accept a prize for such a performance, my pity to them.