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Follow up to: MisterWGT Chat #2

Wed, Aug 1 2012 6:49 AM (111 replies)
  • lonnieskinner
    1,677 Posts
    Thu, Jul 26 2012 8:03 AM

    +1, on the surface this seems like a no brainer. On our end it's logical but on the financial end, we just don't know.

  • TheDuckinator
    1,691 Posts
    Thu, Jul 26 2012 8:49 AM

     

    In my opinion the level requirement for access to certain equipment is the senseless figure on ones profile.

    I personally would have no problem what so ever if a Legend...Regardless of his level, had the best equipment available to him. This is one of the strange idea's on this site that I do not really understand. Why must Player A (level 65 Legend) be handicapped equipment-wise over Player B (level 95 Legend) ? Same tee's but different equipment availability. Kind of not making sense to me. 

    It is an extremely simple fix...All equipment availability should be tier based. Full stop. Promotes the want to tier up in order to be able to use better equipment. Also, those who choose not to want to tier up do not put themselves in the firing line of frustrated higher tiered players who see their superior equipment being used on short tee's. They get to stay in a tier they like, but with minimal equipment availability being the short fall in that decision to not progress forward from one tier to the next. Tiering up = longer tee's yes, but also the availability of superior equipment. 

    YankeeJim put it very well in an earlier post. It will not fix an existing problem, as you cannot simply take equipment away from "controversial players" who already have high level gear...He bought it according to the existing rules, it is his. BUT it would be a step towards stamping out said problem for future players choosing to go the same route.

    P.S. Very refreshing to see these chats and be able to give feedback on decisions that you have highlighted that are in the pipe lines.

    P.P.S. Give WGTIcon a raise. ;)

    One way to correct the existing problem is to assign a tier level to all equipment. Once you have done this you do a one time promotion base on the equipment. IE: If you have a Master that is currently using a driver that falls into the  legend tier that person gets promoted to legend. Problem Solved....

    MTD

  • xXxjasonxXx
    688 Posts
    Thu, Jul 26 2012 11:29 AM

    aceydeucey:

    New equipment availability should be tiered based.  Tour Pros and Pros should not have a 270 yd driver.  Likewise, Masters and Tour Master should not have a 280 yd driver.

    Those that do have them now can either sell them back to WGT, or get moved up to the club's  corresponding tier.  This was done when we went to the level-up system and lots of guys were moved up a tier overnight.  People bitched about it for a month and then it was over.

     

     I agree 200%..

  • genorb
    1,255 Posts
    Thu, Jul 26 2012 1:41 PM

    Jerm65:

    MBidney:
    Am I missing a logical reason to make them play 100 rounds?

    Yes.

    I agree it seems illogical if a legend has already played 400+ ranked rounds at that tier, and their average is only going down.  It merely delays the inevitable.

    Indeed, for those who have already played 400+ rounds as legend, their average can no longer increase, so those players who are today below 60 will still be below 60 after 100 additional rounds.

    However, imagine a guy who turn legend the day before the change and play immediatly his first round as legend and post a 29/58 (for example he plays an easy round in a CC tourney or even he plays a tourney from shorter tee) then he stops to play that day. The next day (the day of the change) when i will connect he will be Tour Legend if those required 100 rounds were not necessary.

    Regards

  • saltiresfan
    2,266 Posts
    Thu, Jul 26 2012 1:54 PM

    Well obviously I don't agree about not giving TMs a driver that can go 280!

    Dreading making legend...

  • bettergloberoman
    586 Posts
    Thu, Jul 26 2012 1:56 PM

    genorb:

    Jerm65:

    MBidney:
    Am I missing a logical reason to make them play 100 rounds?

    Yes.

    I agree it seems illogical if a legend has already played 400+ ranked rounds at that tier, and their average is only going down.  It merely delays the inevitable.

    Indeed, for those who have already played 400+ rounds as legend, their average can no longer increase, so those players who are today below 60 will still be below 60 after 100 additional rounds.

    However, imagine a guy who turn legend the day before the change and play immediatly his first round as legend and post a 29/58 (for example he plays an easy round in a CC tourney or even he plays a tourney from shorter tee) then he stops to play that day. The next day (the day of the change) when i will connect he will be Tour Legend if those required 100 rounds were not necessary.

    Regards

    Good point, but my question is why 60 avg, and not 58 or 59, the difference is nothing when we have legends with avg of 53 and 54. After 6 months they will make another tier? And how they will call it?  GODofGOLF?  lol

  • 2DAMFLASHY
    1,141 Posts
    Thu, Jul 26 2012 2:24 PM

    i have no prob with master and above having all the good stuff...

    below that... should be limited...

    the pro ..limit line... was just well ... a joke... in my book...

    i totally love this game... and don't want to say anything negative about it..

    but,, that is what i thought of that idea... i love the ball lie idea... and TOTALLYGET OFF ON THE PAIN ..of WGT... BRING IT !! ..make it hard,,, 

    I even LOVE,, the its rigged,,, my clubs are broke... they must be cheetin blogs...lmaoo.

    some ppl just dont know what TRUE dedication and practice really consist of..  i think they compleeted .. super mario...and believe they shud be GAMER KINGS at every thing they play...:)

    peace !!..... PS. i hope they dont make balls go in divots !!!   ive seen some MONSTERS on here 

  • JaLaBar
    1,254 Posts
    Thu, Jul 26 2012 3:28 PM

    genorb:

    Jerm65:

    MBidney:
    Am I missing a logical reason to make them play 100 rounds?

    Yes.

    I agree it seems illogical if a legend has already played 400+ ranked rounds at that tier, and their average is only going down.  It merely delays the inevitable.

    Indeed, for those who have already played 400+ rounds as legend, their average can no longer increase, so those players who are today below 60 will still be below 60 after 100 additional rounds.

    However, imagine a guy who turn legend the day before the change and play immediatly his first round as legend and post a 29/58 (for example he plays an easy round in a CC tourney or even he plays a tourney from shorter tee) then he stops to play that day. The next day (the day of the change) when i will connect he will be Tour Legend if those required 100 rounds were not necessary.

    Regards

    OK, here's how this makes sense.  There are Legends that have been here for a long time, and through having shot 1000s of rounds since becoming Legend, their top 400 gives them an average below 60, even though on any given day they normally shoot above 60.  I know my average is 62 but my real average is really 64-65 or higher in single play.  In unlimited it's a bit lower lol.  And my average is still fluid.  For some, it can only go down.  So it would make sense IF the 100 round counter ONLY applies to Legends who have below a 60 average right now, and then the Tour Legend tier applied to those who play below 60 for the next 100 ranked rounds regardless of prior average.  OR, they could assign a predecided value to prior average and include all current Legends in the countdown.  OR they could reset ALL Legend, have them establish new averages, and after 100 rounds you get moved if below 60.  But regardless, I think anyone would have to play the 100 rounds before being moved to Tour Legend.

    I also believe that with this, from now on, they should make averages among Legend and above completely fluid, rather than ceiling them at 400 rounds.  That way no one ends up a Tour Legend through attrition, rather than skill.  However, the rule about weighing tourney wins into tiering should still apply to Legends moving to TL, to combat a Legend trying to shoot great in RGs and other credit tourneys then bomb in straight ranked play, ie. the sandbagger legend.

    As mentioned, I believe MPC success and Skins or any other money comp (exc. CC tourneys) should figure into tiers.

    Then again, I also favor making all completed ranked holes figure into average, not just those of completed ranked rounds...  So if you shoot a +2 for 3 holes in an unlimited, restart and shoot a -4 31 over 9 holes, what your average reflects is a -2 45 over 12 holes.

    That's the only way to ever truly have true average.

     

  • SPINO1
    5,394 Posts
    Thu, Jul 26 2012 3:56 PM

    JaLaBar:
    I believe MPC success and Skins or any other money comp (exc. CC tourneys) should figure into tiers.

     

    WHY ?, I DONT AS A RULE PLAY THESE TYPES,WHY SHOULD I BE HELD BACK IF IM JUST PLAYIND RANKED ROUNDS. AT THE END OF THE DAY THERE WILL BE 3000 TOUR LEGENDS WITHIN A YEAR , JUST AS ITS BECOME WITH THE CURRENT LEGEND TIER NOW.WHAT THEN ....SUPER TOUR LEGENDS ? GIVE IT TEN YEARS AND WE CAN ALL BE SUPER DUPER SPECIAL TOUR LEGENDS!!! WHERE DOES IT STOP.

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