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Follow up to: MisterWGT Chat #2

• genorb 1,255 Posts

  Thu, Jul 26 2012 4:03 PM

  JaLaBar:

  OK, here's how this makes sense.  There are Legends that have been here for a long time, and through having shot 1000s of rounds since becoming Legend, their top 400 gives them an average below 60, even though on any given day they normally shoot above 60.  I know my average is 62 but my real average is really 64-65 or higher in single play.  In unlimited it's a bit lower lol.  And my average is still fluid.  For some, it can only go down.  So it would make sense IF the 100 round counter ONLY applies to Legends who have below a 60 average right now, and then the Tour Legend tier applied to those who play below 60 for the next 100 ranked rounds regardless of prior average.  

  I agree that for the large majority of legends who will be promoted tour legend, those additional 100 rounds doesn't make any sense. The only reason I saw for those 100 rounds is the one I mentioned above, namely to avoid promoting legends with an irrelevant low average due to low number of rounds played.

  I also agree that those 100 additional could have been used to compute a new average (regardless prior average) in order to promote or not to tour legend. But then this would let the opportunity to some player to stay quite long (forever?) at legend tier and to avoid any promotion (they will probably be later some kind of sandbagging but at least this avoid to have it too soon).

  I am sure they are introducing this new tier due to many threads where many legends were saying that they cannot compete as it is now. I was in agreement with them. They asked for a new tier together with tier based competitions in order to make more people competitive. I think it's not bad. Look at high stake ready-goes for example, the top 10 is composed most of the time by players among, let's says, the same 50 legends or so.

  JaLaBar:

   

  As mentioned, I believe MPC success and Skins or any other money comp (exc. CC tourneys) should figure into tiers.

  Somehow yes, they should play into the equation.

  JaLaBar:

  Then again, I also favor making all completed ranked holes figure into average, not just those of completed ranked rounds...  So if you shoot a +2 for 3 holes in an unlimited, restart and shoot a -4 31 over 9 holes, what your average reflects is a -2 45 over 12 holes.

  I don't like too much that idea. Either you don't care about your average and this will not change anything or you care (to some extend) and what will happen? You will just finish every round you are starting, including the unlimited tourney. How boring this would be and what a waste of balls. And once again, this waste of balls is bad for those who have low credits, not for those who don't know what to do with all the credits they won. So the "weaker" players would pay even more for the "stronger" ones.

  Regards

• DAZZA501 5,972 Posts

  Thu, Jul 26 2012 4:16 PM

  So we won't be made Tour Legends over night, we have to play 100 ranked rounds 1st?

• genorb 1,255 Posts

  Thu, Jul 26 2012 4:20 PM

  bettergloberoman:

  genorb:

  However, imagine a guy who turn legend the day before the change and play immediatly his first round as legend and post a 29/58 (for example he plays an easy round in a CC tourney or even he plays a tourney from shorter tee) then he stops to play that day. The next day (the day of the change) when i will connect he will be Tour Legend if those required 100 rounds were not necessary.

  Good point, but my question is why 60 avg, and not 58 or 59, the difference is nothing when we have legends with avg of 53 and 54. After 6 months they will make another tier? And how they will call it?  GODofGOLF?  lol

  Of course 60 is somewhat arbitrary. I will update my list soon but at the end of May only 1 player was below 54, 5 players between 54 and 55 and 19 players between 55 and 56. That's not much. And once you reach around 55, your average start to saturate in the sense that it decreases very very slowly.

  Actually once among your best 400 rounds (from which your average is computed), your worst score is a 28/56, your average will decrease very slowly. Indeed, at that point you need to post two 27/54 or one 26/52 to see your average decrease by 0.01. And posting a 27 means for most 9-holes (except Olympic and Whistler front 9) that you need to birdie 8 or 9 holes. This is hard for all players.

  So even if 60 is arbitrary, we should not expect to see average dropping quickly once you are at 55 or below. Again at the end of May they were around 320 players having an average below 60. That's not much at all (and only 110 having an average below 58). They cannot create a tier for 50 players only I guess.

  Regards

• genorb 1,255 Posts

  Thu, Jul 26 2012 4:20 PM

  DAZZA501:

  So we won't be made Tour Legends over night, we have to play 100 ranked rounds 1st?

  This is what I understood indeed.

   

• lvietri 3,326 Posts

  Thu, Jul 26 2012 4:30 PM

  Games4Ever71:

  Sorry, to be dumb, but what is merion? Is that a new course?

  Robin Hoods girl friend.

• thebigeasy707 5,885 Posts

  Thu, Jul 26 2012 4:51 PM

  DAZZA501:

  So we won't be made Tour Legends over night, we have to play 100 ranked rounds 1st?

  yupps....

  i'm not gonna rush to play them. i have just under 1000 ranked rounds already......so the new tier can wait a little longer for me. i think it's crazy that the legends with many 1000's of ranked rounds have to play another 100.

  maybe i'll be known as a sandbagger legend.

  tbe

   

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Thu, Jul 26 2012 4:54 PM

  DAZZA501:

  So we won't be made Tour Legends over night, we have to play 100 ranked rounds 1st?

  <MisterWGT> will be based on existing legends averaging under 60 after 100 ranked rounds

  <MisterWGT> to be clear... this means 100 additional ranked rounds following the release

  <MisterWGT> in the coming weeks, we will announce specific events/tourneys/etc for this tier

• MBaggese 15,367 Posts

  Thu, Jul 26 2012 5:49 PM

  YankeeJim:

  DAZZA501:

  So we won't be made Tour Legends over night, we have to play 100 ranked rounds 1st?

   

  <MisterWGT> will be based on existing legends averaging under 60 after 100 ranked rounds

  <MisterWGT> to be clear... this means 100 additional ranked rounds following the release

  <MisterWGT> in the coming weeks, we will announce specific events/tourneys/etc for this tier

   

   

   

  I still wonder does this mean (for those currently under 60 avg) 100 more rounds of 29/59?

  or a minimun of 100 rounds averaging less than 60?  

  Otherwise it's as mentioned before...just delaying the inevitable for anyone with 400 rounds in.

   

• Lyrac 177 Posts

  Thu, Jul 26 2012 5:49 PM

  like i said after all the whingeing for a new tier now you have it ands still moan. lets see who is still there after their 100 talk about a sword with two edges

• MBaggese 15,367 Posts

  Thu, Jul 26 2012 6:17 PM

  I dont see moans

  only uestions

  (bad keyboard)