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Why the master tie in St Andrews hole 11 is further than Legend tie?

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Mon, Aug 13 2012 4:05 AM (7 replies)
  • Paeria
    14 Posts
    Sun, Aug 12 2012 9:23 AM

    I can't understand.

    Can someone explain.

    TY

  • piztaker
    5,743 Posts
    Sun, Aug 12 2012 11:52 AM

    I don't think it is.

  • alosso
    21,070 Posts
    Sun, Aug 12 2012 12:04 PM

    If Legend tees are black he's correct:

    White 182 yds

    Black 180 yds.

    It's not a singularity - look at BPB #15.

    My explanation of this is that the (three) front tees were taken from the official rating / scorecards of the courses, while the Legend lengths are from the Open championships which they represent. If these have been selected shorter, they will be shorter here.

    I've seen evidence of this on an official course homepage, OLY or CCC?

  • DAZZA501
    5,972 Posts
    Sun, Aug 12 2012 12:14 PM

    Bethpage #1 & #15 are also shorter from the Legend tee. Don't worry though the other 123 legend tee boxes (159 if you include Cabo & Whistler) are all from the same or further tee's than that of the Tour Master tees. 

  • QuikDrawlMcGraw
    4,337 Posts
    Sun, Aug 12 2012 1:04 PM

    LOL with the 2 yards closer On st andys   my tees are still 590 longer then master

     bethpage is the fairest for legends 2 holes shorter an 4 the same tee. 6 7 9 an 11 have same tee box as there was no place to make another on this course

  • PUHOLINO
    1,189 Posts
    Sun, Aug 12 2012 3:15 PM

    alosso:

    If Legend tees are black he's correct:

    White 182 yds

    Black 180 yds.

    It's not a singularity - look at BPB #15.

    My explanation of this is that the (three) front tees were taken from the official rating / scorecards of the courses, while the Legend lengths are from the Open championships which they represent. If these have been selected shorter, they will be shorter here.

    I've seen evidence of this on an official course homepage, OLY or CCC?

     

    Hi!

    The 11th on St. Andrews is listed as 180y for legends because they have the pin in the front of the green, just past the bunker, so a much harder pin, even though it's shorter. Masters usually have the pin on the far side of the green, so they still have a shorter dinstance from tee to green, they have a longer distance to their pin. At least I think it's like that (my first day as a legend, lol). The same applies to BpB 15th.

    Jure 

  • alosso
    21,070 Posts
    Sun, Aug 12 2012 10:32 PM

    PUHOLINO:

    The 11th on St. Andrews is listed as 180y for legends because they have the pin in the front of the green, just past the bunker, so a much harder pin, even though it's shorter. Masters usually have the pin on the far side of the green, so they still have a shorter dinstance from tee to green, they have a longer distance to their pin. At least I think it's like that (my first day as a legend, lol). The same applies to BpB 15th.

    Jure 

    I'm sorry to say that this is not the reason. The nominal length given on the scorecard and on WGT's hole description is

    - to a design point in the middle of the green on real golf courses,

    - to one of the pins (usually) in WGT.

    It ain't measured shortest distance but over the designed line of the hole, think of doglegs.

     

    The distance to one or the other of the pins is a different measurement. The nominal value (scorecard/description) will not change but the indication in the top right corner of the game client will change on Par 3s only. STA#11 is 180 yds Legend tee / 182 yds Master tee to the back pin and something like 166 yds to the front pin for Masters (?164 for Legends?).

    On Par 4s and Par 5s the difference is not given in the top right corner but only when hovering over the "player" dot on the overview picture.

    This applies to all holes with multiple tees.

  • PUHOLINO
    1,189 Posts
    Mon, Aug 13 2012 4:05 AM

    alosso:

    I'm sorry to say that this is not the reason. The nominal length given on the scorecard and on WGT's hole description is

    - to a design point in the middle of the green on real golf courses,

    - to one of the pins (usually) in WGT.

    It ain't measured shortest distance but over the designed line of the hole, think of doglegs.

    Thank you for the explanation, I stand corrected. Just shows how little I know about real golf, lol.

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