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At last! An Uneven Lies tourney... but...

• DAZZA501 5,972 Posts

  Thu, Dec 27 2012 8:17 AM

  Corwyn:

  Come on folks! If you just dived into this TL Unevens tourney without spending some time practicing Unevens, what do you seriously expect?

  You didn't reach the highest levels of the game overnight, did you… ? No, you came up gradually through the tiers, accruing knowledge as you went along. You can't expect to bolt on Unevens on top of all that, and make an instant adjustment.

  In my opinion, you have to treat Unevens as if it's a whole new game, which it is! For a start, practice with LOW wind, so that you're removing at least one of the variables. Better still, try it with Starter Clubs and balls, as that's how you learned the game in the first place. Doing that will give you the strongest basis for seeing the effect of the lies.

  I've played many uneven lies games and i think it would be ok if the shots were consistent but they're not. The balls gets effected differently when you have similar lies. Theres enough problem with lying dots on the greens without having to remember what fairways they're on too. It seems now that side winds have no effect and players only need concentrate on the lie and it shouldn't be like that. The slightest uneven lie (1st fairway on Bethpage) seems to have more effect than the wind. I had a right to left 18mph wind so moved to the right and the ball stayed where i aimed as the fairway had an ever so slight slope. It's wrong and everyone knows it is. You say it's a challenge and makes the game harder which to a certain extent is true but it's not realistic. I would rather the game stayed realistic than it getting more difficult.

   

• Woodoworkery 3,498 Posts

  Thu, Dec 27 2012 8:27 AM

  Heck , I say leave the game alone, let it stay where it is. Damn this is the first tourney and you already got scores in the low 60. It won't be long and we will right back to the same situation people were talking about scores are going to be in the 50's again.

  So WGT goes threw all that work, we go threw  a stiff learning curve with the end result being  we are right back where we started. Scores will be right back in the 50's before you know it

   

• Richard4168 4,309 Posts

  Thu, Dec 27 2012 8:30 AM

  Draw/fade would be a nice feature on uneven lies, and could be easily implemented by creating multiple ding spots on the meter bar.

  Left of center = Fade

  Center = Straight shot

  Right of center = Draw

  But for now, I see heavy winds as a helping force on uneven lies. I find I don't have to compensate as much as the wind will carry the ball to the pin on most shots.

  Many will agree that Bethpage is the easiest course to play uneven lies on. There's a lot of flat spots in the fairways on that course.

  It is certainly fun playing uneven lies in tournament mode and not just a practice round. There definitely needs to be more 'single play' uneven lie tournaments.

  For TL's, a share of 10,000 credits means most players will get a piece of the pie.

  

• bfghd 1,344 Posts

  Thu, Dec 27 2012 9:51 AM

  Woodoworkery:

  Heck , I say leave the game alone, let it stay where it is. Damn this is the first tourney and you already got scores in the low 60. It won't be long and we will right back to the same situation people were talking about scores are going to be in the 50's again.

  So WGT goes threw all that work, we go threw  a stiff learning curve with the end result being  we are right back where we started. Scores will be right back in the 50's before you know it

   

  While the majority aren't too great at uneven lies, you are absolutely correct.  If we get anything in unlimited play, qualifying scores will still be low.  

  That being sad, it is nice to see the feature added in some tournaments.  

• MBaggese 15,368 Posts

  Thu, Dec 27 2012 1:15 PM

  Wow, just ran all the way through the Tourney...heck..a few tail winds would have been nice..lol..but I'd really like to see the slope/thing showing the fairway lies in "real life" pic's...I mean I had some dead straight headwinds and the slope balls were barely moving and it was as if I had a 15-20 mph cross wind...now those are playable to the greens..but I still think far exaggerated in real life...I do see that the bunkers and geen side rough shots have been toned down quite a bit from several months ago...but I think Oly will be hell..lol!

   

  I'll give it another go when the winds shift!

• CerinoDevoti 3,232 Posts

  Thu, Dec 27 2012 4:41 PM

  MBaggese:

  Wow, just ran all the way through the Tourney...heck..a few tail winds would have been nice..lol..but I'd really like to see the slope/thing showing the fairway lies in "real life" pic's...I mean I had some dead straight headwinds and the slope balls were barely moving and it was as if I had a 15-20 mph cross wind...now those are playable to the greens..but I still think far exaggerated in real life...I do see that the bunkers and geen side rough shots have been toned down quite a bit from several months ago...but I think Oly will be hell..lol!

   

  I'll give it another go when the winds shift!

   

  Great to see you post MB. I bet you scored better than you first thought possible. Play it a couple more times and you'll be fine.

  As to Olympic, I can''t wait to laugh at the comments. I've been a good boy so far and haven't said anything "unclassy". Might have to have some fun during the second round. ;-)

• CerinoDevoti 3,232 Posts

  Thu, Dec 27 2012 4:44 PM

  Woodoworkery:

  Heck , I say leave the game alone, let it stay where it is. Damn this is the first tourney and you already got scores in the low 60. It won't be long and we will right back to the same situation people were talking about scores are going to be in the 50's again.

  So WGT goes threw all that work, we go threw  a stiff learning curve with the end result being  we are right back where we started. Scores will be right back in the 50's before you know it

   

  I never doubted the top scores would be fantastic. The best players are in this thing all by themselves. On BPB about 5 strokes higher than ones average should be the goal.

  Olympic takes some practice no matter the average. Round 2 is where the fun begins.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Thu, Dec 27 2012 5:17 PM

  CerinoDevoti:

  I never doubted the top scores would be fantastic. The best players are in this thing all by themselves.

  Not without some serious paying attention. You can't phone in the score in UL games, you have to know what you're doing. I'd like to see an UL leaderboard in a few months.

• CerinoDevoti 3,232 Posts

  Thu, Dec 27 2012 6:10 PM

  YankeeJim:

  CerinoDevoti:

  I never doubted the top scores would be fantastic. The best players are in this thing all by themselves.

  Not without some serious paying attention. You can't phone in the score in UL games, you have to know what you're doing. I'd like to see an UL leaderboard in a few months.

  Absolutely YJ. Once everyone gets over the intital shock, they'll start working it down to the point of totally amazing scores as usual. But like you said, you can't phone it in. There are no repeated shots and repeated expectations. You have to be totally engaged in the game play on every shot from an UL.

  I just played a practice round on BPB with the wind heavy and the pins set to hard not knowing what they have. I can't play Champ Speed Greens but the Tourney speed is all I have. Shot a 6 under playing very conservative on the front side and then slamming my foot on the gas on the back.  If the guys who can putt anything from anywhere had my approach shots they could have shot 10-11 under. I miss the ding on putts a heck of a lot. I bogied the 9th hole by being out of position in the fairway. Had a severe downhill lie approach that I couldn't get to the greeen with 1 extra club. Had a beauty of a yellow box lie in the front right bunker that I hit out fine but a little too short. Having played it the 10 under 60 top score will end up beaten by somebody or the guy who did it will play again and best himself IMO.

  Olympic will have to be practiced several times and notes taken to blitz the joint. Fairway position is critical and knowing how much extra club(1,2 and even 3 extra clubs) to at least half the greens will be the key. There's a stretch of holes where the ground lie takes you from fade to draw up and down the mid to long irons. Just knowing how to go with it and not fight the conditions will lead to decent scores. Attack the par 3's like your lives depend on it and good luck on the 4th hole boys and girls.;-)

• DAZZA501 5,972 Posts

  Fri, Dec 28 2012 8:46 AM

  Cerino & Corwyn. While we all respect that you guys have put in a lot of practice at uneven lies and you probably know them better than we do you must understand that what we're all saying is they're not realistic to the real game of golf. When you have to take in to account the very slightest slope (1's where the dot is only just moving) and be aiming 50/60 yards right or left of the green on the yellow box shots then it's nothing like real golf.