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Raise your hand if you're playing less these days

Mon, Mar 30 2015 1:49 AM (81 replies)
  • jakestanfill7
    949 Posts
    Wed, Jan 16 2013 6:23 PM

    WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY less here and going to be that way.  Thank you WGT for giving me inspiration to do more productive things.

    For those who don't think the top tier players inject money back into WGT let's take a look.

    Pre-update

    • Played about 5-6 ready go mostly high dollar, 5-6 MPC average wager 1k, and a few CTTH ready go.  For those of you trying to count the hours, I play 18 holes solo in about 22 mins.
    • Worked out to about 6 balls a day between play and OB meter crap =  $9 a day ball habit.
    • Rake on Ready Gos per player is $0.20 per dollar to enter.  I played $18 a day worth of Ready go  = $3.60 a day rake for WGT
    • Rake on MPC $5 day.
    • $18.60 a day I was putting back into WGT's pocket prior to the update.
    • That's around $6,789.00 a year I was putting back in and these numbers are on the conservative side.  Not exactly a deadbeat freeloader if you catch my drift.
    • I would also buy nearly every new item in the pro shop so you can jack these numbers up closer to $7,500 a year from me.

    Post Update

    • Will not play MPC anymore.  Why should I?  Loss of $5 a day for WGT.
    • Might play 2-3 ready go a day or about $8 worth.  Loss of $2 a day for WGT.
    • Ball use is way down.  Might buy 1 pack every other day.  Daily use = $2.25 a day or a reduction of $6.75 a day back to WGT.
    • Will never buy another piece of new equipment in Pro Shop.
    • That works out to a little over $5,500 less a year I will be putting back in their pockets.

    Now I have 354 GI-SD balls still in my bag and 58 GI2-SD2 that probably would have weighed me down forever.  Plan to play friendly matches and free tourneys with those.  They give us less, they get less.  Simple reciprocal equation.

    So for those who think top players should not be considered valuable in the grand scheme, you might want to rethink that theory.

    They paid me $500 in gift cards last year from cashing in credits.  They took away gift cards and saved that $500 for what.......to lose $5,000!   

    The phrase penny-wise and dollar-dumb springs to mind.

     

  • renniw52
    5,385 Posts
    Wed, Jan 16 2013 6:43 PM

    Great post jake, but they don't give a $hit. You are another one of the pioneers that have got bent over by greed. I really see this site becoming the Coleco vision of on line games. Enjoy your private Island Mr. WGT. You will eventually run out of credits yourself.

  • BubbaCrusher007
    1,567 Posts
    Wed, Jan 16 2013 6:56 PM

    Raise my hand if I'm playing less? Am I playing less?

    Is Tiger Woods jacked up on roids? HELL YEAH I 'm playin less.

  • drmoose
    3,538 Posts
    Wed, Jan 16 2013 7:10 PM

     An on one hand we have ?

    Doc :)

  • PUHOLINO
    1,189 Posts
    Wed, Jan 16 2013 8:03 PM

    I'm still a relative newbie, but I'm also worried where things are going. I totally agree with you and others about everything you say, except this.

    jakestanfill7:
    I would also buy nearly every new item in the pro shop so you can jack these numbers up closer to $7,500 a year from me

    Unless you actually bought 7500$ worth of credits, you payed them nothing. WGT will never lose any money if people stop playing RGs or MPCs or buying balls. They will only lose money if their advertisers quit paying or if people stop buying credits. So the only real monetary value to them are people who buy credits, not the ones who are giving them back via rake.

    A person who buys a 100$ worth of credits is much more valuable to them than someone who "spends" 200.000 credits without spending any of his actual money. They get nothing back from them, except a virtual sum of imaginary currency which themselves can create in infinite volume and it makes no difference to them, if they ever get it back or if it just circles around. It's not cash in their bank account. It's meaningless monopoly money and if you keep winning you're worthless to them. However, the people who you keep beating are the ones of value to WGT. Cause they're the ones who actually need to either buy credits or spend time on their advertisers pages and subsequently bring real money to the game's owners.

    So, to recap, if you stop playing, they will only lose the ammount of actual cash you payed in this year, which is usually ZERO with most net winners. Sad, but true.

  • Bullyhill
    41 Posts
    Wed, Jan 16 2013 8:23 PM

    Funny stuff

  • MBaggese
    15,367 Posts
    Wed, Jan 16 2013 9:36 PM

    PUHOLINO:
    So, to recap, if you stop playing, they will only lose the ammount of actual cash you payed in this year, which is usually ZERO with most net winners. Sad, but true.

     

    I'm not so sure...

     

    I'd think every credit is worth one penny (US)...so the more WGT get's back credits, it seems it would go to the plus side of assets...otherwise, what would be the point of taking a percentage of RG, Blitz, and MPC?

  • Fuzzygazz
    1,469 Posts
    Wed, Jan 16 2013 10:14 PM

    MBaggese:

    PUHOLINO:
    So, to recap, if you stop playing, they will only lose the ammount of actual cash you payed in this year, which is usually ZERO with most net winners. Sad, but true.

     

    I'm not so sure...

     

    I'd think every credit is worth one penny (US)...so the more WGT get's back credits, it seems it would go to the plus side of assets...otherwise, what would be the point of taking a percentage of RG, Blitz, and MPC?

    Exactly..It's like ppl  losing money at a casino saying its was only house money. Once you won it its not house money.

     

     

     

  • senec
    252 Posts
    Wed, Jan 16 2013 10:23 PM

    My hand is raised,but starting saturday,it will be raised way up there because"HOCKEY'S BACK!"The LPGA will start in a week or two also...Love to see these women play.

     I have to admit that I would be sad to see WGT close down even if the game is a lot less fun then it used to be.

  • lee22sharon
    1,419 Posts
    Wed, Jan 16 2013 10:43 PM

    My hand is up also. I  play a ranked round everyday, unless I forget.  (one of those age related things) Very seldom read a forum entry that requires me to answer or comment on.

     It's getting to be more of a chore, and a drain on my time.  Yes, perhaps it is just me or is it just less enjoyable all around.

    I do not suffer a bad meter, nor do i often feel the effects of the VEM Dragon, but one thing I have noticed is the overall quality of the younger persons who are now playing the game.  Yes, there have always been those players who made the playing experience less than it should have been and there was little that could be done about it.  Those players became known through out and you were able to avoid them.  Now however it seems as tho in every group of 3 - 4 players there is one young, inexperienced, obnoxious player whose comments about the ongoing play makes remaining in the group an unpleasant experience.  I do try to control the other players comments and or give back no less than what I am receiving.  This works well with the average younger player ( have had 10  year olds playing at night.), but it is unnecessary.  Considering that credit wagering is allowed, a return to the 18 year age minimum would be welcome.

    I have always thought that WGT as a business should make a profit and in return should do what they could to eliminate some of the more popular difficulties, wants, desires, hopes and dreams.  Much to many to itemize.  However, it does not seem to be in the best interest of WGT ownership to do so.  Instead we get insipid, uninspired, and laughable THINGS to buy.

    The road ahead looks rocky indeed for those of us old timer players from before 2010.

    My thoughts on why people play less including myself.  My Nickle.

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