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Mon, Jan 9 2017 10:58 AM (20 replies)
  • ThePhonenix
    118 Posts
    Fri, Feb 1 2013 5:36 AM

    Hi all could someone tell me how the handicaps are working on here at the moment.

    On 24/1/2013 i made T Master my handicap went up to 66 after i shot a round of 70 at beth

    on 30/1/ 2013 i shot a 30 in a RGS come 2nd it went down to 64

    on 31/1/2013 shot a 72 on best of hardest holes par for the course , then noticed that my handicap had gone down again to 62.4, that is a bit harsh for a par round of golf i think, check my score history since iv been a T Master, losing nearly 2 points for a par round just seams wrong to me.

     

    James

  • WGTicon
    12,511 Posts
    Fri, Feb 1 2013 11:48 AM

    Hi

    we do not have handicaps here. tiers are based on many elements (which we do not announce), such as # of games, scores, averages and such.

    when you get to a new tier, your average and # of games are reset to be in line with your new tier.

    -wgticon

  • row2seat2
    1,441 Posts
    Fri, Feb 1 2013 12:33 PM

    Thats your average score not your handicap you see and when you have just moved up in tier it will move a fair amount at first but will settle down the more rounds you play.

  • bubbadork
    984 Posts
    Fri, Feb 1 2013 2:42 PM

    Let me give you an example. When I made Legend (61, I believe) my average was the average of my best 50 scores. My real average (for the last 200 scores) was 64.5. It is for this reason that people moving up-tier wonder why they've suddenly starting shooting two to six shots worse.

  • sweetspott
    26,443 Posts
    Fri, Feb 1 2013 8:07 PM

    What is the number of games your AVG stops going up after moving to Tour Master ?

    Thanks.

     

  • alosso
    21,054 Posts
    Sat, Feb 2 2013 1:44 PM

    ThePhonenix:
    Hi all could someone tell me how the handicaps are working on here at the moment.
    For you, the average of all ranked strokeplay rounds as a TM count.

    You had 62 - 70 - 30 - 72, the nine hole 30 doubling to 60. These gross scores count regardless of the course you played.

    First real TM average was 62 from the first round.

    62 and 70 average to 132/2 = 66,

    62+70+60 average to 192/3 = 64,

    62+70+60+72 average to 264/4 = 66.

    With that 30, you came in second in a RG - congrats! - and won a few bucks. When this RG was payed out, your average received an extra drop by the secret anti-sandbagging formula. Any other money win or any match play win against a Legend might have contributed to the drop - I don't see anything but I can't tell.

    This is the way the game is playing - these occurrences might even drop the necessary no. of ranked rounds below the "regular" 50 for you.

  • Steve2golf
    930 Posts
    Mon, Feb 4 2013 6:08 AM

    That number beside your tier is not your average score, not your handicap, it is a made up number WGT uses to move you up tiers and has absolutely nothing to do with your actual average score. It is a little more accurate for legend and above till saturation occurs and not at all accurate for below legend.

    If you are interested in knowing your actual average score, traditionally the only way i know how to do so, is you take your 10 lowest scores of your last 20 scores and average them after first doubling the nine hole scores.

    Do this easily in excel as follows:

    First make a your list:

     

    Date       Course                                         Holes      Score 18 Score    Average Score 

    02.03.13 St Andrews Full 18 Ready Go          18           58       58                   ?

    02.03.13 Olympic Club Front 9 Ready Go       9            30        60

    02.03.13 Congressional Back 9 Ready Go      9            32        64

    02.03.13 Legend Kiawah Full 18 Ready Go    18           59        59

    etc etc....to 20 rounds

    Now for some formula's, where I put the question mark above, put in this formula and switch the f4:f23 with your list of 18 hole scores F4 being the top score and F23 being the bottom  score     =AVERAGE(SMALL(F4:F23,{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10}))

    You can even have excel automatically do your 18 hole score with this formula placed in the first box where you want your 18 hole score to be and copy and paste the cell all the way down to where you want the bottom result to be.

     =IF(D4=18,E4,E4*2)

    D4 being your actual 18 or 9 score cell, E4 being your actual score, then if it finds 18 under the hole list cell it repeats, if it finds 9 it doubles your score.

    Based on this my average is 58.7 for the 10 best of my last 20 rounds presently when WGT reports it as 61.42. But I believe wgt uses my lowest 100 rounds as a Legend which then begins to saturate so all that is then required is time as the average begins to decrease no matter what score I shoot. Therefore also not an accurate reflection of any current ability.

     

  • ThePhonenix
    118 Posts
    Mon, Feb 4 2013 9:06 AM

    alosso:

    ThePhonenix:
    Hi all could someone tell me how the handicaps are working on here at the moment.
    For you, the average of all ranked strokeplay rounds as a TM count.

    You had 62 - 70 - 30 - 72, the nine hole 30 doubling to 60. These gross scores count regardless of the course you played.

    First real TM average was 62 from the first round.

    62 and 70 average to 132/2 = 66,

    62+70+60 average to 192/3 = 64,

    62+70+60+72 average to 264/4 = 66.

    With that 30, you came in second in a RG - congrats! - and won a few bucks. When this RG was payed out, your average received an extra drop by the secret anti-sandbagging formula. Any other money win or any match play win against a Legend might have contributed to the drop - I don't see anything but I can't tell.

    This is the way the game is playing - these occurrences might even drop the necessary no. of ranked rounds below the "regular" 50 for you.

    Thank you for that Alosso, il just have to see how it pans out, i havent played any match play games yet.

  • alosso
    21,054 Posts
    Mon, Feb 4 2013 11:03 AM

    Don't hurry too much m8,

    it's quite a walk to the back tees :)

    (meaning you might need level & credits for appropriate Legend equipment)

  • jumpjock
    5 Posts
    Fri, Jan 6 2017 12:19 PM

    I just shot a 5 under round for front 9 at St. Andrews and did not receive ANY reduction in Handicap...that's just WRONG !!!

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