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Sun, Apr 28 2013 7:10 AM (56 replies)
  • filmslayer
    2,341 Posts
    Thu, Mar 14 2013 7:11 AM

    wgt can do what they want . if somethings on the line , someone will find a way to cheat and get it ! sad but true ...

  • filmslayer
    2,341 Posts
    Thu, Mar 14 2013 7:12 AM

    opps , double post ...

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Thu, Mar 14 2013 7:58 AM

    Very much agreed.  This particular video looks more a desperate scam though! Although anyone has first hand knowledge of the full blown $30 version.............unlikely hear I guess:))

  • Steve2golf
    930 Posts
    Thu, Mar 14 2013 11:56 AM

    Chinajohn:

    I do find it rather suprising about the attacks this post has received especially considering I am only trying to suggest a cure for a problem. The cynic in me wonders about the motive for such attacks.

    You are are suggesting anybody better than you is using an auto dinger.

    That was my motive for the attack, which was not an attack, further here is more of my motive, you suck, 95% of the players here are better than you. You come up with a suggestion that may or may not work to combat a fictional problem that exists strictly in your own mind as an excuse for inability or unwillingness to learn to play the game.

    I gets a little tiring to hear and read the everybody is a cheat over and over again.

    It taints the hard work some people dedicate to perfecting this game.

    WTF do you need, it has been demonstrated through video over and over again that you do not need to ding to score well, yet we still get the likes of you with these groundless accusations and now a suggestion to change the game that's been here for years to combat a fictional never been seen auto dinger.

    So what problem are you exactly attempting to cure, people who learned, practiced and devoted their time to playing well, is that the problem you wish to cure.

    Buy the thing already, I'll chip in for you, and let us know how you make out. I don't think even with 100% ding you would still be able to play, because obviously you have no desire to figure out this game for yourself. I suspect you will just be out $29.50 though.

    In case I misread I'll ask again, So what problem are you exactly attempting to cure?

     

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Thu, Mar 14 2013 3:08 PM

    My last go at this and them me out of it.  I have only been on WGT a short while but golf games have been around years and WGT, in basic principle, is no different to a 1990 game.  OK way better graphics, more complex in play yada yada yada, but in essence still a ding and so on.

    If I did a gap analysis of my game and where I think I need to get to IF I decided I wanted to compete with the cream I genuinely could not see the meter up there.  Equipment I could, but more than anything practice of certain shots in certain conditions / lies and greens knowledge needed before that equipment can make it's real difference at any top level..............Other things to and things I have yet to learn I need to know.  I am sure any really good player is always looking to learn anyway, not just down at my grade.  

    The one thing I am probably easily as good at as most is dinging..............I hit some and miss some, but not commonly by loads.  Now as you go higher up the ladder differences become slight ........NO ONE wins the 400 metres Olympic final by 15 metres unless they are on steroids (CHEATING), and if they do it stands out a country mile and action taken.  My point is (away from that crap in the video) that if a player suddenly starts winning I am damn sure WGT have software that will highlight anything unusual and an auto dinging winner would show up with lights flashing.

    Dinging then is really a minor part of the game when put alongside the overall skill needed to be the cream.  People that do well on this do so because they have worked hard to bring talent out. I used to think how scores in the 50s could even be possible, but with time I got close and shot my first one the other day.  Doing that makes me think I might start taking notes more to try and etch down that average score. One thing that is clear though is that if I can do it so can most with work. Other things apart from notes will come in to play I know but for me that's probably my last quick win.

    With the above in mind, and even though I can't do it, I can appreciate that really low scores are possible with hard work.

    If some one were that good with software they would be hacking accounts not trying to beat some very good player with an auto / meter / whatever dinging device.  And if a TL used one and it actually worked then like the Olypmic runner example above they would last 1 day. In short their win would show up with red lights flashing suspect all over it!  We have already established it's usefulness is limited anyway, but put that in just to highlight the point!

    People that really win on here, not talking some sandbagging multi accounting TM in a skins game, do so through great skill and hard work.  Fools may buy that software referred to on YOUTUBE but fools they are and not winners on WGT.

     

  • Chinajohn
    1,190 Posts
    Thu, Mar 14 2013 6:55 PM

    Steve2golf:

    Chinajohn:

    I do find it rather suprising about the attacks this post has received especially considering I am only trying to suggest a cure for a problem. The cynic in me wonders about the motive for such attacks.

    You are are suggesting anybody better than you is using an auto dinger.

    I have never accused anyone of anything, all I am doing is attempting to suggest a cure and provoke a discussion on what could cure an obvious problem. 

    Steve2golf:

    That was my motive for the attack, which was not an attack, further here is more of my motive, you suck, 95% of the players here are better than you. You come up with a suggestion that may or may not work to combat a fictional problem that exists strictly in your own mind as an excuse for inability or unwillingness to learn to play the game.

    I never said I was great, I know I am average at best. However, if your original 'attack' wasn't an attack that line above

    you suck, 95% of the players here are better than you.
    most obviously was.

    Further the problem most definitely isn't fictional, I have given absolute proof that it exists, and this has been verified by at least two independent highly regarded members.

    Steve2golf:

    I gets a little tiring to hear and read the everybody is a cheat over and over again.

    It taints the hard work some people dedicate to perfecting this game.

    If it gets so tiring either don't read it or contribute to the discussion on the problem at hand, Ad hominem attacks do nothing either for the discussion or for your credibility. I nor anyone on this discussion have at any time detracted from the very hard work the top players have obviuosly put in.

    Steve2golf:

    WTF do you need, it has been demonstrated through video over and over again that you do not need to ding to score well, yet we still get the likes of you with these groundless accusations and now a suggestion to change the game that's been here for years to combat a fictional never been seen auto dinger.

    So what problem are you exactly attempting to cure, people who learned, practiced and devoted their time to playing well, is that the problem you wish to cure.

    You are repeating  yourself, again no-one has said everyone, or even any of the elite are using this, but we HAVE proven it exists and the video shows it can work, what I am hoping is that we or more precisely we can provoke WGT into taking action against something that has the potential to cause serious problems for the future of this game.

    Steve2golf:

    Buy the thing already, I'll chip in for you, and let us know how you make out. I don't think even with 100% ding you would still be able to play, because obviously you have no desire to figure out this game for yourself. I suspect you will just be out $29.50 though.

    In case I misread I'll ask again, So what problem are you exactly attempting to cure?

     

    And again you resort to an Ad hominem attack. 

    Again, I have never said I'm a great player, I'm a pretty average (probably below average) Master but I hope to get to a stage where I can say I'm a good player and I will do that through hard work, practise and practice and note taking. You see I DO have the desire, I just hope that the game is still here by the time I get to that skill level.

     

    Now, I have answered your points. Why such an attack on what is constructive criticism? At no time have I attacked you, your reputation or that of anyone else here, yet you see some need to leap to the defense, of what? Why?

    Perhaps instead you could suggest ways of counteracting a PROVEN CHEAT SYSTEM.

     

  • Steve2golf
    930 Posts
    Thu, Mar 14 2013 7:43 PM

    Chinajohn:

    Perhaps instead you could suggest ways of counteracting a PROVEN CHEAT SYSTEM.

    You are suggesting a cure for a figment of your imagination, or are you the creator of the scam that is attempting to rid people of $30.00 and you are attempting to provide validity to this scam.

    There is proof it is a scam, there are reports it is a scam, yet there you are trying to advertise it in the forums thinly veiled as a suggestion for changing a game that has been here for years in it's current form.

    Buddy if it smells like----- and tastes like----- it likely is -----

    Get reading there are cheats here, but nothing works better than just getting good, there are no short cuts, none, changing the game will not get rid of the cheats, it will likely just make them better.

     

  • Chinajohn
    1,190 Posts
    Thu, Mar 14 2013 8:24 PM

    Steve2golf:

    Chinajohn:

    Perhaps instead you could suggest ways of counteracting a PROVEN CHEAT SYSTEM.

    You are suggesting a cure for a figment of your imagination, or are you the creator of the scam that is attempting to rid people of $30.00 and you are attempting to provide validity to this scam.

    There is proof it is a scam, there are reports it is a scam, yet there you are trying to advertise it in the forums thinly veiled as a suggestion for changing a game that has been here for years in it's current form.

    Buddy if it smells like----- and tastes like----- it likely is -----

    Get reading there are cheats here, but nothing works better than just getting good, there are no short cuts, none, changing the game will not get rid of the cheats, it will likely just make them better.

     

    So the answer is: No you have no useful input to this discussion, thank you, goodbye.

     

    As to your insinuation, if you have proof put up, or as the saying says...................

     

  • Steve2golf
    930 Posts
    Thu, Mar 14 2013 8:32 PM

    If you believe the game is full of cheats go play facebook.

  • ZioMio
    4,680 Posts
    Thu, Mar 14 2013 8:36 PM

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