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Vary the length of the meter?

• Tightrope 1,072 Posts

  Thu, Mar 14 2013 8:45 PM

  bhoese:

  If I were coding things around here, and if it hasn't been done already, I'd add a random delay after the mouse is released and before the meter moves.  That should foul-up the dingbots.

  It seems as though everybody uses visual cues when clicking, so a random delay wouldn't hurt anybody's game - does anybody have a completely rhythmic clicking style?  

  This is a great idea! Sure, it would be possible to manually start the time when the meter starts moving, but that would not be any better than to actually try to click a ding manually. Should not be if the meter is on less than, say, 30% though since you need some time to get you mind into both Ready and Set before you Go.
  
  There is other theoreticla cheats, but bhose's solution would cure the timer, and if, which I have heard to believe, WGT is messing with the timing to counter the cheaters, than they could stop doing that because messing with the timing is messing with our brains.

   

• ZioMio 4,680 Posts

  Thu, Mar 14 2013 9:01 PM

  ... but hasn't WGT introduced the auto release on the meter.  what if the "cheat" held the mouse till it auto released?

• Tightrope 1,072 Posts

  Thu, Mar 14 2013 9:05 PM

  It could auto release at a random interval as well, between 14.2 and 15.36 seconds. No difference really, the auto release would be treated as any other release meaning that after release they add a a random time between 0 and 2 seconds. That would make any timed autodinger worse than us.

• Steve2golf 930 Posts

  Thu, Mar 14 2013 9:54 PM

  What if the cheat just used a program to have the mouse click when a certain pixel turned a certain colour. Is that even possible, maybe I'll write the program and post it on youtube, might get $50.00 a week for it.

  But then we could have a meter that changes positions, moves all over the screen and we can all purchase a pistol for 10 million credits to shoot at the screen.

  Maybe we can get them to change from a meter to a random do dad thingy. Move from flash, and go to cartoon, oh wait, that's TWO

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Thu, Mar 14 2013 10:08 PM

  We have proof that some dude has software which costs $30 and you can't test it before you buy.  This is nothing new, thousands of scams out there.....................  Any daft sop that is dumb enough to buy on that basis ......let em!  Their credit card company will soon get sick of it if enough daft sops claim then money back. Then he will be shut down and next week he / she will be selling dodgy phones some street corner....................and low and behold they also don't work and low and behold where is the seller......................................

  I remember way back when some young girl walking in to the office saying she had won second prize in some draw.  The prize was she paid to go on some cruise at some god forsaken time of the year.  Long story short the cruise never even existed and of course thousands of second prizes...........in fact everyone that entered won LOL.  Fortunately she never PAID anything after we spoke to her...............That was? 1987? What's changed, NOT much LOL! *** possibly even the same dude still going!

• Steve2golf 930 Posts

  Thu, Mar 14 2013 11:02 PM

  Some snake oil salesman makes a post on youtube and we have requests for a 2 million dollar investment to change the game.

  Well with all it's flaws, I still come back everyday and practice a litlle, play a little, read a little, laugh a little and write a little. WGT is as strong as ever, great game, keep up the great work.

• Tightrope 1,072 Posts

  Thu, Mar 14 2013 11:20 PM

  Steve2golf:

  What if the cheat just used a program to have the mouse click when a certain pixel turned a certain colour. Is that even possible

  That's possible and can be combated in other ways. The random delay after release until the meter start moving battles the timers easily. For pixel sensors, random positioning of the meter would make it difficult for the programmers.
  The meter can stay stationary until the release, then, move to another place when released. It would not be impossible to create a pixel sensor that you position after meters position has changed, but it would be more difficult.

  The "slow down the machine/flash to get a a frame by frame movement" could be detected by checking the actual time, in milliseconds, that it took the meter to run a certain distance and compare it to estimated time. Upon release, during the random delay time, it fetches a timestamp from the server which it sends back in the same package that contains the data for the actual shot.

  Whatever they do, they must make sure the gameplay for those who does not cheat suffer. Our brain is depending on consistency to be able to tell our trigger finger when to move and if the meter ain't consistent, we wont be either. A machine, on the other hand, will not get distracted.

   

• ZioMio 4,680 Posts

  Fri, Mar 15 2013 12:09 AM

  Having a program to play another program... where is the enjoyment in that?

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Fri, Mar 15 2013 12:56 AM

  All great guys but aren't we just giving too much creedence to some twerp with fanciful claims, trying to flog crap to any one daft enough to infect their computers with it? For the little auto dinging might separate already great players, pretty sure unusual dinging would flash up anyways and that's giving this junk youtube nonsense way too much credence IMHO!

  Look at the quality of that video and then the graphics of WGT.  The latter a highly regarded International 5,000,000 visits a month business with great graphics, and the prior a youtube post with sh9t graphics............Sorry but this is utter nonsense!

• borntobesting 9,751 Posts

  Fri, Mar 15 2013 3:38 AM

  One thing you have to remember about any auto click program. It is designed to click at a certain time. And as such you would have to set it up for your meter speed. Well guess what guys most of us have at least 2 or 3 different meter speeds. With my clubs i have 5 different meter speeds. So if I chose to go the auto click route which of those 5 speeds would I chose??? And with auto click you always have to use full power. Why? Because of the time factor. Less than full power the meter bar would pass the ding bar well before the auto ding took the shot resulting in a slice or push. Why do you think that WGT has set up the clubs with so many different meter speeds? And if you changed balls that had more or less feel than the ball you were using when you set up your program that would cause you problems as well. All in all auto ding programs useless.