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Vary the length of the meter?

• RootsRo 419 Posts

  Fri, Mar 15 2013 4:05 AM

  IMO some here hold to much merit to hitting the ding.

  If i review my game, pars, bogeys, double bogeys, others. lost balls, birdies on some par fives or other mishaps during a round, are due my own brain farts or lack of knowledge/experience.

  Only Sometimes these mishaps occur because i did not get close enough to the ding line.

  An autodinger that would work 100% would probably win me a stroke or two on some rounds But will certainly not put a considerable dent in my average.

  I'd rather see WGT put effort in fixing game-play, developing new courses, catching sandbaggers, better cc options or investing in a marketing department that actually knows what they are doing. Instead of combating some cheats that don't help that much anyways.

• Chinajohn 1,190 Posts

  Fri, Mar 15 2013 4:15 AM

  According to the instructions for this one you set it up for each club, pretty similar to how you do for WGT caddy, (NOT that I'm saying WGT Caddy is a cheat). So as you select each club it adjusts the time accordingly.

  Also for those saying hitting the ding isn't always desirable, as this is a timer cheat you can set it to miss the ding by the tiniest margin EVERY time.

  As to whether it works or not, I don't know, but it appears to have sold enough to take heed of. All I'm trying to do is warn people it's out there despite repeated vehement denials from some corners of this community. I don't play for credits anyway so it isn't going to affect me.

• Steve2golf 930 Posts

  Fri, Mar 15 2013 4:23 AM

  Tightrope:

  Steve2golf:

  What if the cheat just used a program to have the mouse click when a certain pixel turned a certain colour. Is that even possible

  That's possible and can be combated in other ways. The random delay after release until the meter start moving battles the timers easily. For pixel sensors, random positioning of the meter would make it difficult for the programmers.

  So I was not so far off with we would all have to buy a pistol and shoot at the screen.

  I'm not big on change, and I'm sure WGT has seen and heard every single possible cheat 10 million times in the 5 or so years they have been around.

  I know and have seen posted here several times, there are posts dating back to 2009, that there is a real way to slow the meter to a crawl, but any demonstration I have seen suggests the meter is still hard to hit, and some have said harder even, due to the pi$$ poor choppy graphics. I suppose WGT has done nothing much about that as they may of determined there is no beneficial effect, so why bother with the investment.

  I'm just glad they do not change the game every time someone goes into hysteria over some imagined possibility of a potential possibility, that in all likelihood would have no beneficial effect.

   

• Lizard69 2,006 Posts

  Fri, Mar 15 2013 5:10 AM

  Steve2golf:

  Tightrope:

  Steve2golf:

  What if the cheat just used a program to have the mouse click when a certain pixel turned a certain colour. Is that even possible

  That's possible and can be combated in other ways. The random delay after release until the meter start moving battles the timers easily. For pixel sensors, random positioning of the meter would make it difficult for the programmers.

  So I was not so far off with we would all have to buy a pistol and shoot at the screen.

  I'm not big on change, and I'm sure WGT has seen and heard every single possible cheat 10 million times in the 5 or so years they have been around.

  I know and have seen posted here several times, there are posts dating back to 2009, that there is a real way to slow the meter to a crawl, but any demonstration I have seen suggests the meter is still hard to hit, and some have said harder even, due to the pi$ poor choppy graphics. I suppose WGT has done nothing much about that as they may of determined there is no beneficial effect, so why bother with the investment.

  I'm just glad they do not change the game every time someone goes into hysteria over some imagined possibility of a potential possibility, that in all likelihood would have no beneficial effect.

   

  Agreed.

  As my original reply stated, we have inconsistent meter speeds anyway, so these ding tools cant be very effective if it is a time based thing and more importantly, hitting the ding is NOT the secret to scoring well, know your equipment, understand the reaction of your ball in various spin configurations in various winds and you can miss the ding 95% of the time and easily shoot sub 60, assuming of course you aren't under the influence of "that which must not be named" otherwise breaking par is almost impossible even with a 100% ding rate :-)

  I too hope WGT don't go into "change everything" mode due to a few people worried about some cheats, rather fix what we have, share the "that which must not be named" or eliminate it entirely and just make the game harder in other ways that effect EVERYBODY in the SAME way at the SAME time. 

  Hours and hours of practice becoming meaningless due to severe "that which must not be named" is a MAJOR problem imo, fix that 1st please.

  Give me a level playing field and I would be a happy man.

  Yeah, I know, it isn't gonna happen but a man can dream :-)

• Chinajohn 1,190 Posts

  Fri, Mar 15 2013 7:26 AM

  Lizard69:

   

  Agreed.

  As my original reply stated, we have inconsistent meter speeds anyway, so these ding tools cant be very effective if it is a time based thing and more importantly, hitting the ding is NOT the secret to scoring well, know your equipment, understand the reaction of your ball in various spin configurations in various winds and you can miss the ding 95% of the time and easily shoot sub 60, assuming of course you aren't under the influence of "that which must not be named" otherwise breaking par is almost impossible even with a 100% ding rate :-)

  I too hope WGT don't go into "change everything" mode due to a few people worried about some cheats, rather fix what we have, share the "that which must not be named" or eliminate it entirely and just make the game harder in other ways that effect EVERYBODY in the SAME way at the SAME time. 

  Hours and hours of practice becoming meaningless due to severe "that which must not be named" is a MAJOR problem imo, fix that 1st please.

  Give me a level playing field and I would be a happy man.

  Yeah, I know, it isn't gonna happen but a man can dream :-)

  Thank you Liz, you are now getting to the type of discussion I was hoping to arouse. I am not experienced enough nor good enough (yet, I hope) to make a serious comment on this but I was astounded after repeated quite vehement denials of its existence from quite experienced players to find that it did actually exist.

  My motives were threefold (for starting this thread):

  to prod some senior players into at least acknowledging it existed;

  to get some discussion going as to solutions (if required);

  and to warn newer players that it was real and to be wary of risking your credits against strangers.

   

  I will now withdraw from any further participation as I feel the thread has fulfilled all of those aims.

   

  See you in the 19th.

   

• Steve2golf 930 Posts

  Fri, Mar 15 2013 8:01 AM

  Chinajohn:

  Thank you Liz, you are now getting to the type of discussion I was hoping to arouse. I am not experienced enough nor good enough (yet, I hope) to make a serious comment on this but I was astounded after repeated quite vehement denials of its existence from quite experienced players to find that it did actually exist.

  My motives were threefold (for starting this thread):

  to prod some senior players into at least acknowledging it existed;

  to get some discussion going as to solutions (if required);

  and to warn newer players that it was real and to be wary of risking your credits against strangers.

  Don't leave just yet, where does it exist? Who has acknowledged that it exists.? All I saw was a youtube link. Why would we need a solution for a youtube link to snake-oil?

  Finally why are you so sure of it's real existence and it's real benefits?

  How do you know it's not snake-oil.?

  Have you tried it, and does it work.?

  You are implying that you have seen it, used it and it does work, but there is no evidence in your scores improving. So I'm curious, unless you are suggesting that in the hands of a better player, what you have tried would be deadly.

  Edit: Let's lose the hearsay and get some eye witness testimony here.

   

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Fri, Mar 15 2013 8:59 AM

  Chinajohn......................

  It exists ONLY in a crappy little youtube post. I watched a TV programme called Pawn Stars the other day.  Some bloke been in London, bought a "real" replica gun and took it in to make his killing. He looked devastated when he was told it was WORTHLESS. The youtube post is WORTHLESS JUNK.

  Now here I think I can give valued input because I am not some great player. I played this game from about 5 months ago having come across it when I had more time than usual.  It took me back a bit to old game console game before other companies started taking a good theme off on the wrong tangent.  WGT has made that 1990 game everything it should have become and I thought woohoo...............Now I played this game using power ups etc and WHIZZED to Legend with an average of 61. Legend found me out and now it's hard work getting better and some stuff i need to put in I know to get near TL if I can? Basically this is a great game............the wind affects flight and the higher the trajectory the more etc etc............all you could want! I put in good scores (for me) and I put in bad ones but overall I enjoy getting better and NOT ONCE have I blamed the ding.

  Not being rude but the other day you were asking about how do people hit the ding and they answered you. Respectfully don't get caught up too much on the ding................just get close and enjoy..........if you hit a tennis ball high and soft on a windy day it will be wind affected more than low and hard etc etc.............this game has all that in an intuitive interface.

  I feel I can say all that as I am not as say some wonderful player, I was in your level "yesterday", but I have no issues with any of this.  And I obviously don't work for WGT because I can also be V critical of where equipment should be available, but I voiced my opinion's elsewhere on that.  Forget about the ding and utterly stupid youtube posts please! Once you get to my level and above then I cant comment properly as that's above my experience..........................But up to Legend (61 average at TM) and now 63.? I can a little .................Honestly that youtube post is a HOAX! CRAP! stupid software! I mean that respectfully!!!!! Forget about all that nonsense and people on here have NOTHING to FEAR that way either!! .................................It's really JUST a V good game!

   

• Tightrope 1,072 Posts

  Fri, Mar 15 2013 1:20 PM

  Still, if WGT deliberately make the meter erratic and inconsistent just to battle cheaters, they also f**k with those who does not cheat. If they want to battle the cheaters they should, IMO, find solutions that battles the cheat, not the overall playability.

• Chinajohn 1,190 Posts

  Fri, Mar 15 2013 8:22 PM

  Jimbog1964:

  Chinajohn......................

  It exists ONLY in a crappy little youtube post. I watched a TV programme called Pawn Stars the other day.  Some bloke been in London, bought a "real" replica gun and took it in to make his killing. He looked devastated when he was told it was WORTHLESS. The youtube post is WORTHLESS JUNK.

  I have also given the link to the actual site ( by PM, I cannot put it on here or it will, rightly, be deleted) where you can download the cheat and it is real enough. No, I cannot verify if it actually works but enough people have downloaded it from that site for me to be reasonably satisfied that it does, after all if they had been ripped off you would expect a torrent of abuse or at least complaints.

  Jimbog1964:

  Not being rude but the other day you were asking about how do people hit the ding and they answered you. Respectfully don't get caught up too much on the ding................just get close and enjoy..........if you hit a tennis ball high and soft on a windy day it will be wind affected more than low and hard etc etc.............this game has all that in an intuitive interface.

  No offense taken I assure you, am I hung up on hitting the ding? Perhaps, but I hope not to a silly level, I do know it's not everything but I do think it is important. But, I like you am just trying to enjoy the game, that really is all.

  Jimbog1964:

  I feel I can say all that as I am not as say some wonderful player, I was in your level "yesterday", but I have no issues with any of this.  And I obviously don't work for WGT because I can also be V critical of where equipment should be available, but I voiced my opinion's elsewhere on that.  Forget about the ding and utterly stupid youtube posts please! Once you get to my level and above then I cant comment properly as that's above my experience..........................But up to Legend (61 average at TM) and now 63.? I can a little .................Honestly that youtube post is a HOAX! CRAP! stupid software! I mean that respectfully!!!!! Forget about all that nonsense and people on here have NOTHING to FEAR that way either!! .................................It's really JUST a V good game!

   

  I have issues with 'cheats' not because of their effect on me, (they have none, I don't play for credits) but with the effects they could have on the future of the game, if cheats prosper too much genuine players will leave or not even bother joining.

  The You tube video is NOT a hoax, the cheat is genuine and is out there. Why do so many players spend so much time rubbishing it? It is proven, too many people have downloaded it without any notable complaints for it to be a hoax.

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Sat, Mar 16 2013 1:03 AM

  Chinajohn:

  I have issues with 'cheats' not because of their effect on me, (they have none, I don't play for credits) but with the effects they could have on the future of the game, if cheats prosper too much genuine players will leave or not even bother joining.

  The You tube video is NOT a hoax, the cheat is genuine and is out there. Why do so many players spend so much time rubbishing it? It is proven, too many people have downloaded it without any notable complaints for it to be a hoax.

   

   

  With respect Chinahohn you have offered not one shred of evidence. Who are these too many people? Everr spoke to ONE? ANY POSTS ANYWHERE SAYING IT's GOOD?????????????My meter is fine and the last thing I would consider is some daft youtube posting that wants money now, NO evaluation period even, solving a problem that does not exist.  It's GOT HOAX written all over it................I have NO issues with the ding.......

  I have no crystal balls and thank god for that :)) But I now make a prediction: Were this video to allow to allow ratings under it the same as certain app stores it would get ZERO out of 5, and the comments would be derisory.  Now I remain to be proven wrong by proof of the great reviews from any half decent third forum or anything else site, not a four crank than you's on the owners little web site....................

  I did look at the site you posted on my wall, but had already done so any way.  All my points remain............It's crap!