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uneven lies

• JimbeauC 5,835 Posts

  Tue, Jan 21 2014 3:51 PM

  CerinoDevoti:

  I do see proof you're a whiney complainer.

  Typical. 

  Can't address the concerns? Have no valid rebuke of the concerns?

  Just start with the name calling.

  Signing off this thread, having said my piece.

• CerinoDevoti 3,232 Posts

  Tue, Jan 21 2014 5:00 PM

  JimbeauC:

  CerinoDevoti:

  I do see proof you're a whiney complainer.

  Typical. 

  Can't address the concerns? Have no valid rebuke of the concerns?

  Just start with the name calling.

  Signing off this thread, having said my piece.

  What concerns of yours do I need to address? In my first response to your post I was as completely honest  as I could be. I don't work for WGT I just practiced the UL play like crazy until it became natural. If you really think you have concerns that need to be addressed, click the contact WGT link at the bottom of the page. Good luck with that.

  Regards...

• CerinoDevoti 3,232 Posts

  Tue, Jan 21 2014 5:04 PM

  alcaucin:

  I'm a convert..I think UL'S are good, turns out I've adapted to them pretty quickly ( 40 o 50 practice rounds later ), can even get within 5 yrds o pin in red zones around greens now instead of ball going back over my head lol

  Will have to scrub them off what I will o will not play in status...just Kiawah left in that bracket !! :-))

  Andy

  Kiawah isn't that hard in UL. You might actually enjoy the course in UL play. Gonna have longer putts anyway. :)))

• 9,041 Posts

  Tue, Jan 21 2014 6:52 PM

  CerinoDevoti:

  Kiawah isn't that hard in UL. You might actually enjoy the course in UL play.

  Kiawah could be paved in gold, the path to the 'Promised Land' and you STILL couldn't get me to play it if you paid me !!  :-)))  ( 9 months and counting )

  Andy

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Tue, Jan 21 2014 7:32 PM

  CerinoDevoti:

  The regular lie game here is so easy it messes people up in their thinking when it comes to trying to play UL competitively

  Trying to even make half a show against some of the talents around here is way plenty challenging for me in the regular game.

  All I can see from UELs is messing with angles in a too computer game only way.  Ok yes get longer putts and so make less.............I generally get longer putts in high winds anyway.

  There is a well known description of golf.  Can't remember who said it but roughly, "how can such a simple game be so difficult to play".

  The "regular" game captures the essence of that more perfectly than any other sim so far IMO, whereas that's where the UELs version falls down in a heap.

  Fine for those that like it and want to spend the time it takes learning it great, and never against choice anyway, but it's several generations back from being of any possible interest to me. 

   

• CerinoDevoti 3,232 Posts

  Wed, Jan 22 2014 7:19 AM

  Jimbog1964:

  CerinoDevoti:

  The regular lie game here is so easy it messes people up in their thinking when it comes to trying to play UL competitively

  Trying to even make half a show against some of the talents around here is way plenty challenging for me in the regular game.

  All I can see from UELs is messing with angles in a too computer game only way.  Ok yes get longer putts and so make less.............I generally get longer putts in high winds anyway.

  There is a well known description of golf.  Can't remember who said it but roughly, "how can such a simple game be so difficult to play".

  The "regular" game captures the essence of that more perfectly than any other sim so far IMO, whereas that's where the UELs version falls down in a heap.

  Fine for those that like it and want to spend the time it takes learning it great, and never against choice anyway, but it's several generations back from being of any possible interest to me. 

   

  Hey Jim,

  I think the main reason I like the UL play so much is it takes so much practice just to be able to get around the courses. To me, that's the main thing that makes it like actual real life Golf. We're not pro golfers here but  we end up scoring much better than the Pros because it's a virtual game and there's no lies to make it tougher. Just the bunker play in regular games is supremely easy. There's no downhill lies in bunkers. In the UL game, there's downhill lies in bunkers that make the shots play like we see on TV. The ball comes out low and runs across the green. You have to actually accept that you made a mistake and deal with the results.

  In UL we have to really think like a pro and a caddie working together to strategize our way around trouble and find those sweet spots that were designed into the courses. The regular play pays no respect to the course designers as we just blast over all the designed in traps. Easy pickins out of bunkers and flat lies where on the actual course, we'd have very sloped lies that take some thought to get the approach shots near the pin or at least in the "safe zone". Nobody really has to think about safe shots in regular play, we just shoot missiles at the pins.

  I'd rather play rounds where fighting the course and it's designer to make pars is the norm instead of getting mad at 1 par and quitting a round to save balls hits and ego for average. I like having to "tip my cap" to the guy who designed a bunker in such a place that I was tricked into hitting in it. I like having to know where to hit my tee shots so the approach shots follow the lie and create perfect looking draws and fades into the greens. The UL play was made for someone like myself. I want the game to be extremely hard and feel some satisfaction at making a birdie instead of it becoming nothing but a routine.

  Having said all that, I understand that many don't like the UL play as it is and have many ideas on how to make it "better" in their minds. My fear is they just want it easier like the regular game and WGT will end up making it that way. The stark difference between the two needs to remain IMO.

  Hit 'em straight :)))

   

  ~CD~

• dabiggoo 9 Posts

  Wed, Jan 22 2014 7:35 AM

  CD - well said. UL represent a significant challenge. I agree with others that the compensation angles you have to hit are exaggerated beyond what you would find IRL. As an example, when the ball is on an uphill lie just off the green I've never had a situation where I hit a wedge and have the ball go straight up, advancing only a yard. Having said that, if you practice with the UL you can understand how the game is going to respond and adjust. As a question - do you (or anyone) find that putts are also more difficult to hole? I have a lot more lip-outs playing UL that standard. Again, probably more like real golf.

   

• CerinoDevoti 3,232 Posts

  Wed, Jan 22 2014 3:22 PM

  dabiggoo:

  CD - well said. UL represent a significant challenge. I agree with others that the compensation angles you have to hit are exaggerated beyond what you would find IRL. As an example, when the ball is on an uphill lie just off the green I've never had a situation where I hit a wedge and have the ball go straight up, advancing only a yard. Having said that, if you practice with the UL you can understand how the game is going to respond and adjust. As a question - do you (or anyone) find that putts are also more difficult to hole? I have a lot more lip-outs playing UL that standard. Again, probably more like real golf.

   

  The only increased difficulty in putting that I've found is just being farther away from the hole on the first putt. :) I can't say I've noticed any other increased difficulty with the putter and I've played a heck of a lot of UL rounds

  I use a term I call the circle of acceptable result. In regular flat lies play, we all have rather small circles that we feel the ball must be within on approach shots. We feel that way because it's not that hard to hit inside those smaller circles. The more we do it, the smaller we expect the circle.  In UL, you learn that the circle has to be increased or you'll go mad. Watching a lot of pro golf, those players don't just hit the ball within 10 feet all the time. They play to safe zones and take their chances when putting. They play away from the short sides of the greens or long over water and bunkers. They always talk about protecting their mistake that saves par instead of plays into bogeys. UL gives us that same challenge. I play to stay away from bunkers and water all the time. If that means only making pars, so be it. I'm not making doubles trying to be a hero. I still make them on occasion but it's usually a result of lack of preparation or deficiency in execution.

• foreyes 25 Posts

  Wed, Jan 29 2014 2:31 PM

  I agree totally how can you wiff 3 times in a bunker when you hit the ding. the left to rt bia is totally bogus.. I'm a scratch and can't ever remember playing that far off line on a shot even with a lie at my waist..

• GolfNIKE222 14 Posts

  Sat, Oct 3 2015 9:10 AM

  Everyone who posts on this subject should state if they are a real life GOLFER I suspect the only ones who like it are strictly virtual golfers. I Golf and would like it if it was an accurate portrayal. IT IS NOT!!!