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Scores On The US Open Tournament

• courteneyfish 15,796 Posts

  Sat, Jun 15 2013 12:53 AM

  I'm glad this chap isn't a judge. No proof but guilty as charged.

• dorkfeatures 712 Posts

  Sat, Jun 15 2013 12:57 AM

  Hi All,

  I wasnt going to respond to this post, as I tend not to anymore - I've seen and heard this so so many times before.

  I have been here at WGT almost from the start, and observed all the great players we have had on WGT right from the beginning.

  To you my friend NO these players IMO DO NOT CHEAT !!  

  What they do do though, is put in hundreds and hundreds of rounds and practice and update their clubs as they go. Then more practice etc etc

  I havent been able to do that - mainly for financial reasons, however just from my own experience of say "Merion" in qualifying these past few weeks. One of my early rounds was a 79, but after quite a bit of practice, note taking, head shaking etc  (I cant reach a couple of the fairways if the wind is against me ) I shot a 63 . Now that is 16 shots better than that early round - using basically the same clubs, in just a couple of weeks. I did get another driver but I dont think it made a whole lot of difference. I will not qualify, I never have - I just love the challenge -  but just from how I have improved in just a few weeks you can see quite clearly how the top players who have been here a few years can attain such low scores and be able to shoot in the mid 50's.

  There is no formula - just hours and hours of practice and logging up round after round. As you attain higher levels upgrade your clubs and on and on you go. 

  NO they are NOT cheating. (Sorry to the many people who disagree but most of you guys have only been here 5 minutes. Let me know how you are going in 5 years time - you might shoot a bit better by then)

  No offence to anyone - just saying thats all.

  Enjoy

  Doug

• seanobrien 296 Posts

  Mon, Jun 24 2013 3:26 PM

  dorkfeatures:

  What they do do though, is put in hundreds and hundreds of rounds and practice and update their clubs as they go. Then more practice etc etc

  And sometimes Hundreds of dollars. I have spent at least $100 qualifying  (56 tonight thank goodness) between new driver and golf balls.

  Merion has caused me to restart more times than any of the previous opens since I have been here (4th year qualified in a row).

  But I won't be winning the Championship rounds.

  It is a difficult course, but if you play it hundreds of times you learn where to put the ball on the greens to give yourself a good chance of birdie/eagle.

  Over all my attempts at qualifying, I have eagled holes 1,2,4,5,8,9,10, and 13, and had countless other approaches that missed dropping in by a few inches.

  The reason for this is that I have played the course so many times, I even know what way the approach shots will break.

  So please don't come on here and accuse everyone who has shot the qualifying score of cheating, just cos you can't shoot it.

  You also need to remember that new equipment and golf balls have lowered the qualifying scores.

  If I remember, the qualifying score for Oakmont was 9 under (qualified) and for St. Andrews 9 under as well I think (didn't qualify).

   

   

   

• rqueen 57 Posts

  Mon, Jun 24 2013 4:21 PM

  Why are you so defensive without bothering to read all of my post?  Perhaps if you had bothered to actually read my post instead of defensively crying "foul".  I STATED that not everyone does and that there are some very good players on here.  I did NOT say that everyone was cheating just because I was not shooting as good as they were.  I have researched it and there ARE cheaters that can be found(which I would rather not play than use one), and that there ARE some questionable scores from some people.  The ones that I have to question the most are the ones who without PROOF will, no matter what, deny that there is cheating going on or that no one can cheat on here.

  All I did was question some of the scores that were down for the Open on here.  Yes this game is easier than playing actual golf and I know that the scores on here will be lower than in real life.  In fact, my primary statement on my post was that because of the little things that they have set up in the game to make it more difficult (which I do not have a problem with) does make it more difficult to get the lower scores and that my post said that if everyone else was getting some "wacky" things go wrong as often as I was (based on my "perfect" hits only), that I don't see how ANYONE could get that low of scores.  This is the primary direction that my post was going.  More than anything, when I posted my post, I was expecting people to discuss just how often these "irregularities" happen to them.  Talk about condemning someone because whether it is from a guilty conscience or just because people are tired of all the posts about how everyone is cheating, they just automatically ASS-U-ME that if that word is even mentioned that they are being accused.  I was not accusing ANYONE because I TRULY COULD NOT CARE LESS if someone else is cheating, I only care that I do not cheat!!!

• MBaggese 15,368 Posts

  Mon, Jun 24 2013 7:03 PM

  rqueen:

  Why are you so defensive without bothering to read all of my post? 

   

  Who are you speaking too?

• rqueen 57 Posts

  Mon, Jun 24 2013 7:55 PM

  MBaggese:

  rqueen:

  Why are you so defensive without bothering to read all of my post? 

   

  Who are you speaking too?

  I was responding specifically to courteneyfish on her post:

  "I'm glad this chap isn't a judge. No proof but guilty as charged."

  I was also responding to several others that read my post and automatically ASSUMED that I was accusing anyone that got good scores as cheaters.  I don't really know why, as I tried to be clear that I was not accusing anyone specifically of cheating.  I said that I could not understand how people could get that low of scores with the difficulty that the Open (especially the greens) was giving us, but primarily with as many of those (I've seen it posted on here somewhere, where the people that run this site have it set up to have "off-hits" or whatever you call them) off-hits or whatever as I have.  And I am only going by the number of irregularities that I have just on my "perfect" hits, and I was really wondering if everyone else had these high number of irregularities as I seemed to be having on perfect hits, how they managed to shoot such low scores.   And yes, I did realize that the people that have really practiced and gotten to know the game inside and out will know how to deal with these irregularities better than I do.  I was in part hoping that some of them would give tips on how to handle them but everyone IMMEDIATELY started attacking because I guess they were afraid of being thought of as cheaters, or that they have been called cheaters by so many people because they did shoot such low scores that they acted out of habit.  I've been attempting ever since then to explain that I was not accusing anyone of cheating and even admitted that I did not do such a great job of the way I worded it.  But, que sera que sera.

• MBaggese 15,368 Posts

  Mon, Jun 24 2013 8:02 PM

  rqueen:

  I was in part hoping that some of them would give tips on how to handle them

   

  Then ya might have asked:)

   

  Just explain and maybe ask "I'm always 6 feet out on HoleX and can't make that putt...or "I always have 195 out on #5...but can't get on the green..."...etc...

   

  rqueen:

  I've been attempting ever since then to explain that I was not accusing anyone of cheating and even admitted that I did not do such a great job of the way I worded it.

   

  Probably. but at first you eluded to a different scenario.

   

  If ya need help, just ask...many will reply with assistance.

• rqueen 57 Posts

  Mon, Jun 24 2013 8:17 PM

  I know that, on one of my replies to this post, I readily stated that I should not have posted that post at that time because I was extremely frustrated at the way that the ball would travel against the wind when I would hit with the wind, how the ball would go 40-50 further (or shorter) than it should, how putts would break frequently against the break and a number of other issues like that.  And that was only counting when I would hit the ball perfectly.  Back to what I was going to say though was that I realized later that I should not have bothered to post, I did not realize that everyone would think that I was calling them cheaters because I am not used to people reacting that way.  However, in hindsight(and reading previous posts), I can, to a degree, see why people reacted so strongly and defensively.  Well, all I can do is say "live and learn"

• MBaggese 15,368 Posts

  Mon, Jun 24 2013 8:22 PM

  rqueen:

  However, in hindsight(and reading previous posts), I can, to a degree, see why people reacted so strongly and defensively.

   

  All good my man and well explained.

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Tue, Jun 25 2013 2:58 AM

  rqueen:

  Why are you so defensive without bothering to read all of my post?  Perhaps if you had bothered to actually read my post instead of defensively crying "foul".  I STATED that not everyone does and that there are some very good players on here.  I did NOT say that everyone was cheating just because I was not shooting as good as they were.  I have researched it and there ARE cheaters that can be found(which I would rather not play than use one), and that there ARE some questionable scores from some people.  The ones that I have to question the most are the ones who without PROOF will, no matter what, deny that there is cheating going on or that no one can cheat on here.

  All I did was question some of the scores that were down for the Open on here.  Yes this game is easier than playing actual golf and I know that the scores on here will be lower than in real life.  In fact, my primary statement on my post was that because of the little things that they have set up in the game to make it more difficult (which I do not have a problem with) does make it more difficult to get the lower scores and that my post said that if everyone else was getting some "wacky" things go wrong as often as I was (based on my "perfect" hits only), that I don't see how ANYONE could get that low of scores.  This is the primary direction that my post was going.  More than anything, when I posted my post, I was expecting people to discuss just how often these "irregularities" happen to them.  Talk about condemning someone because whether it is from a guilty conscience or just because people are tired of all the posts about how everyone is cheating, they just automatically ASS-U-ME that if that word is even mentioned that they are being accused.  I was not accusing ANYONE because I TRULY COULD NOT CARE LESS if someone else is cheating, I only care that I do not cheat!!!

  All you have to do is compare YOUR SCORES with the scores of these players who are scoring very low on Merion & on any other course.  Just because you might not be able to do it, dont under estimate other players ability.

  You mention above which I've highlighted saying that you couldn't see any one else scoring that low due to the amount of whacky shots you got when they were perfect hits.  How do you know they were perfect in the first place?  This is not trying to be malicious in any way, but these players are scoring sub 30 " and 60 "most of the time you only sometimes break 65 so can you see the difference? These players have been here 2 to 5 years, yourself 9 months.   Why dont you even ask one of these players to play a round with you at Merion so you can see for yourself how good these players are??

  rqueen:

  And I am only going by the number of irregularities that I have just on my "perfect" hits, and I was really wondering if everyone else had these high number of irregularities as I seemed to be having on perfect hits, how they managed to shoot such low scores.

  Have you ever stopped to think that a lot of these "irregularities" are just down to you playing the wrong shot??  (just by looking at your score histories) Yes, i get WTF shots now and again but It might happen once a round, the other times Its down to me misjudging the wind slightly.  But the difference with some one scoring a 54 and some one scoring 64 is that the player scoring 54 will be able to sink that 20 foot putt on the hole he/she misjudged the wind

  rqueen:

  I was extremely frustrated at the way that the ball would travel against the wind when I would hit with the wind, how the ball would go 40-50 further (or shorter) than it should, how putts would break frequently against the break and a number of other issues like that.  And that was only counting when I would hit the ball perfectly

  The answers on this statement.  if you are hitting 40 to 50 yards further then you are obviously misjudging the wind on certain shots or selecting wrong club as no WGT deviation or wtf shot will send ball this much past. Also the better players know that some breaks in putter view are false so they will change to chip view to read the putt on certain holes to get a truer read of the break.  What might be flat in putter view will actually show a break in chip view.   Get the hang of the game for a few months, then come back when you've clicked and start scoring much lower (or take a look at players profile's like mine and others where there might be rough tips on club distances' playing into wind or using spin)