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Goodbye WGT

Thu, Aug 22 2013 2:56 PM (212 replies)
  • Hanswurst72
    1,097 Posts
    Tue, Aug 6 2013 3:43 PM

    Hello everybody,

    it has been a glorious journey with all of you at this lovely virtual golf page. I want to thank everyone of the friends and former friends that I made here, especially all fellow Elite CC members and former WGT Ryder Cup players that I had many great talks and games with. The game itself has been the greatest online golf game for the past years in my eyes, but the following problems should have been worked on:

    1) The whole game will reach a stagnation point where many players play at a very similar top level with the best possible equipment. The way the courses are mapped, the tees can't be placed much further back than the current "champion" tees, so the inevitably improving clubs will even lower the scores more. The remaining game factors also can't really be used to increase the difficulty of the game much more, as wind and green speed have their natural limitations (faster green speed than "champ" would lead to a "minigolf-effect" on many holes). Uneven lies would be a great way to increase the difficulty and reduce the calculability of the game. They sadly don't seem to be close to the nessecary point of realism yet though. To sum it up, future leaderboards will look like 52-53-53-53-53-53-53-54-54-54-54-54-54-54-54.... you got it. That simply can not be the goal for a golf game, even if it is virtual.

    2) As long as this game remains flash based, it is determined to be hacked and cheated. Timebased and optically triggered mouseclicks combined with flash speed manipulation could definitely guarantee a ding 99% of the time. Flash is not really protectable against this, the only way to get cheaters to stop is changing the whole surrounding of this game. Of course I am aware, that this will take a long time, but trust me, better start with it now. Otherwise, you will have to increase deviations even more to force these players to putt from outside 8ft again. But that is not the way to go as it punishes the honest players as well... The way it is right now, cheating players approach the 95% GIR and 8ft average as you can see by spending some days checking out many many player stats. Create the possibility to watch other players during their games. Soon! This is the short-term possibility to decrease cheating without quitting flash. A live-play-tournament could be planned with all mouse-movements streamed to watch for every player.

    3) Missing incentives. There is no real need to explain this, but I will do it anyway. This game misses the following things:

    - Yearly tour with weekly smaller and bigger events, including more than one major. At the end of the year, there would be a virtual Order of Merit / FedexCup standing and the top 10 players should win nice real prizes. This would keep the interest on a stable high level. Based on these tournaments, a world ranking could also be included on the front page instead of highlighting "addicted" players (no offense to anyone, definitely highly skilled people!) who manage to play all the boring ready gos each day. But even without an overall ranking, this sort of a tour is mandatory for a virtual golf game.

    - Alternate shot tournaments. Allow players to try and beat other players as a team. Would be a great thing.

    - Better Elite collection items. The way it is right now, the black market seems to increase with players selling their credits to others. If this continues, it will cost WGT way more than offering real life prizes. Give good players incentives to play for!

    - Create official cc vs. cc strokeplay tournaments. Single play, stroke play, every player from every club can participate. Top 10 of each club after round 1 play 3 more rounds to place in the overall standing. Highlight the country club winner of each month at the front page. Would be awesome for everybody to compete against the best on a monthly basis and give everybody the chance to participate.

    As there sadly seems to be very little enthusiasm at WGT to improve any of the named things and their general plan for the future of this game is not discussed with the players, I sadly got to quit the game for now. Will definitely check back every few months to see whether the forum communication and the will to improve this game in the long time based on player feedback increases. If the WGT management finally wakes up with motivated ideas for the future and the game gets a good anti-cheating protection I might definitely come back one day, but only in that case.

    I will check and answer private messages for about 1-2 weeks from now as some of my friends might be in shock to read this. I am definitely willing to debate with fellow players in this thread for some days as well.

    Goodbye everybody, it has been a great time. Remember that this is only an online game, stay critical and ask for improvements whenever you feel that they should be offered. This is not your life, it is just a small part of it as long as you stay here. MisterWGT, please read these ideas carefully and send me a private message or an e-mail if you are interested in any further thoughts on improving this game, it would be a shame to let it slowly fade out like it seems to be right now.

    Cheers, your Hans

     

  • DAZZA501
    5,972 Posts
    Tue, Aug 6 2013 3:53 PM

    I agree with all of what you're saying here Hans. I live in hope that 1 day what you've suggested above will become a reality.

    It'll be sad to see you go Hans. You are 1 of the true greats of the game and i feel honored to have played against you any numerous occasions (even beating you on the odd occasion...lol) and also being a team mate of your's in the Ryder Cup.

    Best of luck in all your future endeavors.

    Dazza  

  • genorb
    1,255 Posts
    Tue, Aug 6 2013 3:58 PM

    Very sad to see you go Hans.

    But I have to agree with all your arguments. Beside realism of scores and cheating, there are almost no interesting tournament to play and no ranking either.

    I made a post about WGT Tour few days ago, got only few answers and of course nothing from WGT.

    I hope your post will have more success.

    Take care my friend, Fabian

  • geraldlarousse
    1,986 Posts
    Tue, Aug 6 2013 4:06 PM

    Wow Hans, very sad to here that. You are one of the best players here mate. I just posted in other thread, and was reading it just now, seems most players think that cheating is not going on. I'm sure someone will be along very shortly to post a video to show you cheating does not exist.

    Sorry to say i think exactly just like you. From what i have been told nothing can be done to stop cheating as long as game is flash based. I myself personally don't really care if they cheat, they are the one's who have to live with that. 

    I have said everything that you have just said many times over, and was run through the ringer for it, lol. Maybe some of the better players here are starting to wake up and smell the coffee??

    Then we have players saying we should not post this type of thing is the public forums, because new players might read it and start cheating themselves. Lol, that must be a joke, really, lol, i don't think they have been paying attention to the lower tier leader boards, hehe.

    Anyway, sorry to see you leave Hans. Good luck to you in whatever you do. Hope to see your name on the leader boards again very soon.

    Gerald

  • Mushy01
    2,567 Posts
    Tue, Aug 6 2013 4:10 PM

    All the best Hans, never played a round, but heard (seen) your name mentioned in all the true legend circles.

    Good luck in whatever life brings you.

  • Woodoworkery
    3,498 Posts
    Tue, Aug 6 2013 4:11 PM

    Sorry to see you go Hans.....................WGT  there goes another, whats it going to take for you to wake up

  • HWei
    534 Posts
    Tue, Aug 6 2013 4:13 PM

     

     

     

  • HWei
    534 Posts
    Tue, Aug 6 2013 4:15 PM

    Sorry to see another Member leave on sad terms with  WGT issues ,but I will leave You with this note 

  • renniw52
    5,385 Posts
    Tue, Aug 6 2013 4:21 PM

    Damn shame to see another great one leave, I pay no attention to the crazy low scores because I am positive they cannot be achieved without some help, I have played enough to realize that if practice will allow you to shoot those scores, then I would have some. I have no desire to shoot a score that I did not get 100% on my own, with a little luck or a little skill. To constantly shoot all birds and eagles is total BS and I could not even imagine it meaning anything at all. If you have legitimately reached this skill level then you need to move on and design rockets for NASA. I am sure I will catch a bunch of hell for this post, but like I said, it can not be done without some serious intervention, not game after game. This game will not allow it unless you can by pass the VEM and game manipulation. End of my comment on this subject. I apologize in advance to any one doing it legit, for the others, hope you have no mirrors in your house.

  • notonthis
    893 Posts
    Tue, Aug 6 2013 4:26 PM

    Sad to see you go Hans but as Dazza said in another thread and that nobody has came out and said. I want to know the ones that are cheating because surely if you skype all day with these bunch of players then you have seen them livesteam rgs and all from sharing screen feature. So who is doing all the cheating for there to be so many threads about it. I'm not gonna lie i use to see 27s and say no way. I never knew until last year how hard to actually hit a putt yeah sad but i didnt. If it said 6 i hit what i thought was 6 till i found out how to make a scale and avatar movements and a formula. Ive been expecting to see these post from tour pros and such but lately its coming from the best of the best i just dont get it. But i hope you find your way back the game will miss you.

     

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