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Wow...WGT players took over 100,000 virtual Mulligans last week!

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Fri, Sep 6 2013 6:51 PM (41 replies)
  • CerinoDevoti
    3,232 Posts
    Thu, Sep 5 2013 9:43 AM

    srellim234:

    YankeeJim:

    MBaggese:
    What am I missing here?

    Nuttin', Honey, Srellim is just taking up the banner for a commercial enterprise having the audacity to charge for goods and services, virtual or otherwise.

    Relative cost of a mulligan with the cheapest Callaway ball is about 0.69 credits per hit so each mulligan is going to cost a little over 2 credits with a decent ball. Zippo with the freebies.  :-)

     

    *Ball hit source.

    I have the audacity to suggest that a commercial enterprise charge the same price to each person for the same product. A mulligan is the same whether it's with the free ball or the Max ball.

    If they were charging 1, 2, 15, 100 credits per mulligan to everyone, that's their business.I'm fine with whatever they want to charge if it's the same charge for everyone for an item that performs the same way for everyone. I've never complained about high prices like many around here; the only actual pricing suggestion I've ever  made here is a suggestion that they offer a quantity discount on balls.

    It sounds like you are perfectly ok, though, with WGT charging you an extra  $1 per sleeve for your Callaways because you own the level 90 iron set instead of only the starter set. After all, the balls may be the same for everyone but you should spend more for the balls because you spent more for your iron set.

    That's what WGT is doing with the mulligans.

    The ball each of us use to play is entirely user decided by free will. Play the free ball and the Mulligans are free as well. Play the 600 credit ball because one purchased irons one can't hit any other way, too bad. That's the decision one made.

    As far as cost, in life an education always comes with a price tag. Learn the pot on the stove is hot by getting burned. A higher education comes with a higher cost. Learning that the person one married isn't the person we think they are, it's gonna cost you. Getting the opportunity to re-hit the exact same shot we hit once before, it costs a little something extra.  It's the way life is so seeing it here is no surprise or cause for alarm.

  • borntobesting
    9,751 Posts
    Thu, Sep 5 2013 10:39 AM

    CerinoDevoti:

    The ball each of us use to play is entirely user decided by free will. Play the free ball and the Mulligans are free as well. Play the 600 credit ball because one purchased irons one can't hit any other way, too bad. That's the decision one made.

    As far as cost, in life an education always comes with a price tag. Learn the pot on the stove is hot by getting burned. A higher education comes with a higher cost. Learning that the person one married isn't the person we think they are, it's gonna cost you. Getting the opportunity to re-hit the exact same shot we hit once before, it costs a little something extra.  It's the way life is so seeing it here is no surprise or cause for alarm.

    Ball usage for many with the mulligan is less now that how they used to practice. With the mulligan hit the shot take the mulligan,  2 hits of ball usage. The old way hit the shot hit it back to as close as possible to the original spot hit it again , at least 3 hits of ball usage. The one thing I did notice last night at work during lunch playing 1 hole on my phone to get the consecutive day bonus is that they increased the maximum hits allowed on a par 4 hole from 10  to 15. I will check today to see if they changed the maximum shot allowed on ranked rounds as well. No maximum shot allowed on par 4 in ranked rounds is still 10. Good thing too. If they had they raised it on ranked rounds it would have been a bagger's dream come true.

  • srellim234
    2,077 Posts
    Thu, Sep 5 2013 3:47 PM

    CerinoDevoti:

    The ball each of us use to play is entirely user decided by free will. Play the free ball and the Mulligans are free as well. Play the 600 credit ball because one purchased irons one can't hit any other way, too bad. That's the decision one made.

    So what you're telling us is that you have no problem whatsoever with WGT charging one person more to buy equipment than the next person simply because those people have more expensive equipment already in their bags.

    Maybe they should reduce the life of the ball by 10 shots for each half dot of increased spin since higher priced clubs with sharper grooves scuff up the cover of a real life ball more than cheaper clubs. Such a scenario fits the mulligan pricing structure you support and you still get to exercise your free will.

    Items should be priced the same for each user.

  • andyson
    6,415 Posts
    Thu, Sep 5 2013 4:24 PM

    What you are missing is not all mulligans are the same. 

    A mulligan with a Nike will fly farther and stop better than a mulligan with a BX-D or GI-S ball so there's added value for your so called "extra cost".

  • CerinoDevoti
    3,232 Posts
    Thu, Sep 5 2013 5:10 PM

    srellim234:

    CerinoDevoti:

    The ball each of us use to play is entirely user decided by free will. Play the free ball and the Mulligans are free as well. Play the 600 credit ball because one purchased irons one can't hit any other way, too bad. That's the decision one made.

    So what you're telling us is that you have no problem whatsoever with WGT charging one person more to buy equipment than the next person simply because those people have more expensive equipment already in their bags.

    Maybe they should reduce the life of the ball by 10 shots for each half dot of increased spin since higher priced clubs with sharper grooves scuff up the cover of a real life ball more than cheaper clubs. Such a scenario fits the mulligan pricing structure you support and you still get to exercise your free will.

    Items should be priced the same for each user.

    I'll try one more time.

    Every hit on every different type ball except the free ones has a different cost whether a mulligan or not. If using the Mulligan, that has this variable cost that your so worried about, helps save enough hits on the ball in a credit Tourney that it more than pays for itself, that's all I really care about. We're all making the decision about what it costs to play here and our own return on that investment. Micro-analyzing every move that WGT makes is of no interest to me at all frankly. Use Mulligans or not, it's up to you. I find the investment a worthy one.

  • srellim234
    2,077 Posts
    Thu, Sep 5 2013 6:19 PM

    And I'll try one more time. Yes, each ball strike has a different cost depending on the ball. You are not, however, hitting that ball back to the original position.

    What you are paying the extra hits for in this case is the mulligan, not the ball. You are paying for the opportunity to return a ball, no matter what type it is, to the original location. That should cost the same for everyone.

    Whether you think it's worth the cost is not even related to the point that WGT is charging different people different prices for the same item.

  • CerinoDevoti
    3,232 Posts
    Thu, Sep 5 2013 6:48 PM

    srellim234:

    WGT is charging different people different prices for the same item.

    I don't see this as WGT charging different people different prices. I reject that notion in total. WGT charges 2 hits on the ball to everyone. It's the players who decide how much that 2 hits costs by their own choice in what ball they use while playing a Mulligan

    I'm in bedrock on my thinking here so I'm at the point of simply repeating what I think in different ways.  Even I don't want to hear it anymore. Have a good day.

  • MBaggese
    15,378 Posts
    Thu, Sep 5 2013 7:11 PM

    srellim234:
    Whether you think it's worth the cost is not even related to the point that WGT is charging different people different prices for the same item.

     

    Would you be happy with paying 5 credits per Mulligan?

     

    2 credits?

    8 credits...pick a number.

     

    Now, say you are out practicing with starter balls and get charged for your Mulligan...you still happy?

     

    I'm done here, cause I think you are at some different plane as the rest of us are.

     

    Best of luck.

  • MBaggese
    15,378 Posts
    Thu, Sep 5 2013 7:14 PM

    borntobesting:
    Ball usage for many with the mulligan is less now that how they used to practice. With the mulligan hit the shot take the mulligan,  2 hits of ball usage. The old way hit the shot hit it back to as close as possible to the original spot hit it again , at least 3 hits of ball usage.

     

    Still the same 'Sting...

    Hit and miss-one hit

    select Mulligan-2 hits

    still three no matter how ya look at it;)

  • andyson
    6,415 Posts
    Thu, Sep 5 2013 7:41 PM

    MBaggese:
    I'm done here, cause I think you are at some different plane as the rest of us are.

    You forgot the T Mike.

    He's on a different planet as the rest of us are.

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