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RG players and winds...what ya think????

• geraldlarousse 1,986 Posts

  Tue, Nov 5 2013 9:54 AM

  andyson:

  Let me throw out another idea.  If it were a same/similar wind tourney would you like the payout to change?   Instead of the top 30 sharing the pot.  How about just the top 3 sharing the pot?  Top 5?  Winner take all?

  Andy,,, that is just it. I don't care how many players get paid.

  Nope.... i'm looking for the same chance to win in a single play game as everyone else.

  Credit spread is not on my radar!!!  Like i said,, if i did not think i could win,, i would not enter. Who would enter a ready go knowing they have no chance to win??  Who??

  I did not start playing ready gos until i thought i had enough game to compete. And.. like you could not play ready gos until gift cards were removed.  And.... now i do have the game to compete. Some games i just don't have my stuff,, but i know if i play like i'm capable i have just as much chance as anyone.

  Also has nothing to do with being a top 200 TL. All of these TL's averages are fake anyway!! The more rounds they play..... the lower their average gets. Most of these very low average TL's can not shoot their average,,, and when they do,, its every blue moon. Right now my average is saturated.... so in 6 months from now my average is going to be stupid low. See what i'm saying??

  Just think if it were fair??  I might enter more ready gos then. Maybe even play high wind ready gos.,,,, because right now a high wind ready go is a lotto ticket.

  Lets keep the credit spread out of it. Can't see what that has to do with making fair game play. Do you?? What does credit spread have to do with fair game play??

  I can answer that right now...... nothing!!

  See what i'm saying?

  Very...very simple really.

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Tue, Nov 5 2013 11:25 AM

  geraldlarousse:

  Lets keep the credit spread out of it. Can't see what that has to do with making fair game play. Do you?? What does credit spread have to do with fair game play??

  Credit spread (score spread reduction) is a potential result of implementing same winds (fair game play).  IMO, if average players have less chance to finish "in the money" or their winnings are reduced for a nice score, then they will stop/reduce playing of RGs.  So less participation in RGs means they take longer to fill and overall then less RG tourneys for you to play.

  Seems simple to me.

  Did you read my last post?  I'm OK with similar/same winds for fair play.  Just don't eliminate random wind tournaments.

  Now, would you be in favor of a Top 3 payout for same wind tournaments?  Do payouts need to change because scores will be tighter?

• CerinoDevoti 3,232 Posts

  Tue, Nov 5 2013 11:29 AM

  If the Ready-Go's are so unfair, why enter any?

  BTW, I don't play RG's. I don't think WGT should even have them.

• geraldlarousse 1,986 Posts

  Tue, Nov 5 2013 3:59 PM

  CerinoDevoti:

  If the Ready-Go's are so unfair, why enter any?

  BTW, I don't play RG's. I don't think WGT should even have them.

  Good question CD. And..... i knew pretty soon that was going to come out.

  I enter Ready Gos because the ones i enter i think i can win.

  Second.... you are correct WGT should not have them.

  Why??  Because of all the cheating azzholes that play them. Not only do i have to compete with BS winds,,,, i have to compete against cheats.

  I play ready gos to pay for balls, that is it. I'm not one of the players who plays ready go all day. Check my score history.

  But yes CD you are right,,, really i should not be playing them. I play them because i like the challenge of playing against some of the best. Meaning the ones who are not cheating. And.... also not having to buy balls is nice.

  Then when i beat the cheats...... makes it feel that much better.

  :)

• geraldlarousse 1,986 Posts

  Tue, Nov 5 2013 4:03 PM

  andyson:

  geraldlarousse:

  Lets keep the credit spread out of it. Can't see what that has to do with making fair game play. Do you?? What does credit spread have to do with fair game play??

  Credit spread (score spread reduction) is a potential result of implementing same winds (fair game play).  IMO, if average players have less chance to finish "in the money" or their winnings are reduced for a nice score, then they will stop/reduce playing of RGs.  So less participation in RGs means they take longer to fill and overall then less RG tourneys for you to play.

  Seems simple to me.

  Did you read my last post?  I'm OK with similar/same winds for fair play.  Just don't eliminate random wind tournaments.

  Now, would you be in favor of a Top 3 payout for same wind tournaments?  Do payouts need to change because scores will be tighter?

  Yes Andy i understand what you are saying. But again all of that is not my problem.

  To answer your last question... does not bother me. I'll go for winner takes all. Sounds good to me,, or top three,, whatever. You pick em.

  Just make it fair for all,,, and i'll go with anything.

  Also Andy i keep reading your post,, but keep coming up with same thing.

  So you are saying WGT is making unfair on purpose to get more players to play?? I don't care how many ready gos they have,, and i don't care how many play.

  Sure sounds like it.  And..... again not my problem. Need to make is fair and quit screwing over players. I am just like WGT,,, i'm worried about me!! Just like WGT does. 

  That is the simple part,,,, but i'm afraid that is not how they roll here.

  IMO nothing will happen on this front. These people are not here to make us happy, that is very obvious.

  Was a very good debate,,, but all for not.

  :)

   

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Tue, Nov 5 2013 4:35 PM

  I am one of those more average players paying my own way.  In fact I recently had the brilliant idea of changing from the level 81 Nike to the 61.  Having burned two sleeves trying to get it right I am in to a two month or more pay back LOL.  Those long irons doing it drat it - hence my recent x2 28s in the current unlimited weekly I am using to test my findings LOL.

  Slightly by the by but I did recently delve in to the land of RGs to see what all the fuss was about.  Now I was hardly setting the world alight, but I was not completely drowning either.  I even jagged a couple of lucky Sunday wins in the 50 credit ones - last of the high rollers I know:)

  OK to the exact point.  If you are going to have RGs then they should be a game of skill or call them a lucky dip.  If one person has 8 holes out of 9 par 5 holes in a strong head wind and the next vice-versa it's lucky dip simple as.  IMHO they might get a few more turn up to try their skills out rather than playing crap shoot for those that like lucky dip.  If I fancy the occasional heavy wind RG I would like to think I am testing my skill, not dice rolling which for me is zero fun.  Now nothing is perfect, but whacko random winds for each player in a given comp does not work out at all in the end.  It's just nuts. 

• CerinoDevoti 3,232 Posts

  Tue, Nov 5 2013 4:54 PM

  geraldlarousse:

  CerinoDevoti:

  If the Ready-Go's are so unfair, why enter any?

  BTW, I don't play RG's. I don't think WGT should even have them.

  Good question CD. And..... i knew pretty soon that was going to come out.

  I enter Ready Gos because the ones i enter i think i can win.

  Second.... you are correct WGT should have have them.

  Why??  Because of all the cheating azzholes that play them. Not only do i have to compete with BS winds,,,, i have to compete against cheats.

  I play ready gos to pay for balls, that is it. I'm not one of the players who plays ready go all day. Check my score history.

  But yes CD you are right,,, really i should not be playing them. I play them because i like the challenge of playing against some of the best. Meaning the ones who are not cheating. And.... also not having to buy balls is nice.

  Then when i beat the cheats...... makes it feel that much better.

  :)

  When you've come out ahead, how do you know you beat any cheaters? Also, how do you know you didn't just get the easy winds and some other players were left griping about it?

  This is where I see nothing but insanity in playing these RG's. It can't just be winning fair but losing to cheats or unfair conditions. If anything Icon was right, it all evens out in the end. What we never hear is anyone complain about getting following winds on all the holes it helps the most. They're just spending the credits won on GB's and wasting the rest entering more RG's.

• geraldlarousse 1,986 Posts

  Tue, Nov 5 2013 5:06 PM

  CerinoDevoti:

  geraldlarousse:

  CerinoDevoti:

  If the Ready-Go's are so unfair, why enter any?

  BTW, I don't play RG's. I don't think WGT should even have them.

  Good question CD. And..... i knew pretty soon that was going to come out.

  I enter Ready Gos because the ones i enter i think i can win.

  Second.... you are correct WGT should have have them.

  Why??  Because of all the cheating azzholes that play them. Not only do i have to compete with BS winds,,,, i have to compete against cheats.

  I play ready gos to pay for balls, that is it. I'm not one of the players who plays ready go all day. Check my score history.

  But yes CD you are right,,, really i should not be playing them. I play them because i like the challenge of playing against some of the best. Meaning the ones who are not cheating. And.... also not having to buy balls is nice.

  Then when i beat the cheats...... makes it feel that much better.

  :)

   

  When you've come out ahead, how do you know you beat any cheaters? Also, how do you know you didn't just get the easy winds and some other players were left griping about it?

  This is where I see nothing but insanity in playing these RG's. It can't just be winning fair but losing to cheats or unfair conditions. If anything Icon was right, it all evens out in the end. What we never hear is anyone complain about getting following winds on all the holes it helps the most. They're just spending the credits won on GB's and wasting the rest entering more RG's.

  LOL... if i told you half of what i know you would laugh your azz off. LOL.

  But i think going to keep that information to myself if you don't mind.... hehe.

  Yes you are correct credits won pay my cost to play this game. I paid out of my own pocket for a long time.

  Really though if think about it,, why would anyone want unfair playing conditions in any competition??

  Credit or not...... who??  And making playing condition unfair makes Icon right??

  Yup..... circus time!!

  :)))))

  Edit: Anyone needs to know what i think,,,go back and read all my post. Don't think need to say anymore. Then again nothing going to happen anyway. 

  The WGT way cheat players out of their money. Nothing new here.

• geraldlarousse 1,986 Posts

  Tue, Nov 5 2013 5:20 PM

  Jimbog1964:

  I am one of those more average players paying my own way.  In fact I recently had the brilliant idea of changing from the level 81 Nike to the 61.  Having burned two sleeves trying to get it right I am in to a two month or more pay back LOL.  Those long irons doing it drat it - hence my recent x2 28s in the current unlimited weekly I am using to test my findings LOL.

  Slightly by the by but I did recently delve in to the land of RGs to see what all the fuss was about.  Now I was hardly setting the world alight, but I was not completely drowning either.  I even jagged a couple of lucky Sunday wins in the 50 credit ones - last of the high rollers I know:)

  OK to the exact point.  If you are going to have RGs then they should be a game of skill or call them a lucky dip.  If one person has 8 holes out of 9 par 5 holes in a strong head wind and the next vice-versa it's lucky dip simple as.  IMHO they might get a few more turn up to try their skills out rather than playing crap shoot for those that like lucky dip.  If I fancy the occasional heavy wind RG I would like to think I am testing my skill, not dice rolling which for me is zero fun.  Now nothing is perfect, but whacko random winds for each player in a given comp does not work out at all in the end.  It's just nuts. 

  Jim... you can not explain to some of these players about fair. I don't think they have a clue mate.

  Lost cause!! They like it unfair......or they are worried about WGT's profit margin....lol. Some are worried about how many players play.  I wonder if WGT is sending them a check???  hehe

  What do you do with that??   Maybe you can help them...... i can't mate....lol.

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Tue, Nov 5 2013 5:31 PM

  geraldlarousse:

  So you are saying WGT is making unfair on purpose to get more players to play??

  Unfair because a bit of luck is involved?  Las Vegas is verrry popular.  So yeah, WGT added randomness to get more players to play.

  I've already said I can see it from your viewpoint and agreed same winds is worth a shot as an addition while keeping random winds for those who don't mind.

  Is that OK with you?